A broad question about Avid at DVinfo.net

Heath McKnight · December 10th, 2003, 11:03 AM

I want to become Avid certified to get a new job, but I'm not sure if buying Avid Xpress DV is worthwhile (for the Mac). I love FCP 4 and want to offer clients that choice, but if Avid is any good, it may be another option while I'm getting certified.

Thanks,

heath

ps-Hope this is is on topic in this thread!

Jeff Donald · December 10th, 2003, 12:03 PM

I'm an Avid Certified editor and I've taught Avid editing, what is your question?

Heath McKnight · December 10th, 2003, 12:54 PM

Do you still teach certification? I don't want to take too many classes (WAYYYYYYYY too much money for me), but I'd like to take at least the 201 class (advanced editing techniques for Media Composer, I believe).

I downloaded Avid Free DV to learn stuff on, but is it enough? Should I buy Avid Xpress DV (and maybe use it), even though I'm quite happy with my new purchase of Final Cut Pro 4.

heath

Jeff Donald · December 10th, 2003, 01:35 PM

No, the school I teach at uses FCP 3. I would say the 201 class would be the right level for you. Why do you want to become certified? I understand the new job, and all but you might want to wait until you get your feet wet on composer before you take the class. There are many similarities between FCP and Avid. Maybe your new employer will pay for the training on Avid.

Heath McKnight · December 10th, 2003, 04:40 PM

I've been doing some research, talking to some producers and houses, and a lot of them know that FCP editors are becoming a dime a dozen in my area (South Florida). Many of them look for something more; believe it or not, Avid experience is great, but an Avid Certification backs it up. I think they've been screwed over before, ie, "I know Avid," and they don't. The Certification kind of guarantees that. To a degree, of course. Experience does help. Oh, and higher end houses are using Avid.

As my buddy in L.A. told me last night, have as many skills available. How else could he have gotten the job cutting on Avid on Lollapalooza (besides the right people knowing he could edit period, not just on Avid).

I wouldn't mind taking a FCP class, but I have learned Avid-certified editors are rare in this area, and are in high demand. And FCP editors who go above and beyond.

And I'm not even talking about an all-in-one person: editor, graphics, animation, even shooting. Those are a diamond in the rough down here, but they're out there. And they have consistent work.

heath

Jeff Donald · December 10th, 2003, 10:36 PM

Apple has a certification process for FCP also. There was a member from Canada (Regina?) that dropped in from time to time that is a FCP certified trainer. Certification on either or both is a big plus. However, on this coast I find more people interested in my FCP skill than Avid skills. The demand for either seems to be geographically oriented.

If I looked hard enough I might find my books form the classes I took and taught. These might be of some help. But the software has matured in the last 7 years and there have been some significant changes and updates. Do you have access to a Composer at work?

Heath McKnight · December 11th, 2003, 01:48 AM

At Channel 5, where I work, we have a production company renting out space, Ko-Mar Productions. They have an XPress and Symphony. I think I'll buy the first Avid training book (cheaper on Amazon than on avid.com) and when I'm ready, the other FCP book.

I'm focusing on Avid for now, then FCP certification. I need to learn FCP 4, since it's so different from 3.

THANKS!

heath

ps-Where are you in terms of West Palm Beach?

Jeff Donald · December 11th, 2003, 07:03 AM

I'm just above Clearwater.

Heath McKnight · December 11th, 2003, 09:49 AM

Gotcha. Just curious. I'm looking at Ft. Lauderdale and Miami for a new job.

heath

Marcus Farrar · December 17th, 2003, 01:04 PM

I have also taken a few avid certified classes complements of my employer (nice right). Anyway if you plan on skipping the first two classes you will need to have a good understanding of Avid. If you don't you will be lost in class.

A rock solid editor may be able to coach his was through it but it sure is easy when you know what they are talking about. Some of the newbies in my class had it hard with no experience.

I agree being able to say you are certified gives you a little edge over someone who is not. Some of the guys I know on Avid for years and no certification would rock to socks off most of these new cats with a certification though. Experience is still strongly looked at so I would have to say both.

On the other side I am still in FCP 3 and if Avid is not going to come up with a full version to work with OSX they may see a few of us roll over to FCP 4. I use both FCP and Avid and like both.

December 10th, 2003, 11:03 AM	#1
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	A broad question about Avid I want to become Avid certified to get a new job, but I'm not sure if buying Avid Xpress DV is worthwhile (for the Mac). I love FCP 4 and want to offer clients that choice, but if Avid is any good, it may be another option while I'm getting certified. Thanks, heath ps-Hope this is is on topic in this thread! __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

December 10th, 2003, 12:03 PM	#2
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	I'm an Avid Certified editor and I've taught Avid editing, what is your question? __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 10th, 2003, 12:54 PM	#3
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Do you still teach certification? I don't want to take too many classes (WAYYYYYYYY too much money for me), but I'd like to take at least the 201 class (advanced editing techniques for Media Composer, I believe). I downloaded Avid Free DV to learn stuff on, but is it enough? Should I buy Avid Xpress DV (and maybe use it), even though I'm quite happy with my new purchase of Final Cut Pro 4. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

December 10th, 2003, 01:35 PM	#4
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	No, the school I teach at uses FCP 3. I would say the 201 class would be the right level for you. Why do you want to become certified? I understand the new job, and all but you might want to wait until you get your feet wet on composer before you take the class. There are many similarities between FCP and Avid. Maybe your new employer will pay for the training on Avid. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 10th, 2003, 04:40 PM	#5
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I've been doing some research, talking to some producers and houses, and a lot of them know that FCP editors are becoming a dime a dozen in my area (South Florida). Many of them look for something more; believe it or not, Avid experience is great, but an Avid Certification backs it up. I think they've been screwed over before, ie, "I know Avid," and they don't. The Certification kind of guarantees that. To a degree, of course. Experience does help. Oh, and higher end houses are using Avid. As my buddy in L.A. told me last night, have as many skills available. How else could he have gotten the job cutting on Avid on Lollapalooza (besides the right people knowing he could edit period, not just on Avid). I wouldn't mind taking a FCP class, but I have learned Avid-certified editors are rare in this area, and are in high demand. And FCP editors who go above and beyond. And I'm not even talking about an all-in-one person: editor, graphics, animation, even shooting. Those are a diamond in the rough down here, but they're out there. And they have consistent work. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

December 10th, 2003, 10:36 PM	#6
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Apple has a certification process for FCP also. There was a member from Canada (Regina?) that dropped in from time to time that is a FCP certified trainer. Certification on either or both is a big plus. However, on this coast I find more people interested in my FCP skill than Avid skills. The demand for either seems to be geographically oriented. If I looked hard enough I might find my books form the classes I took and taught. These might be of some help. But the software has matured in the last 7 years and there have been some significant changes and updates. Do you have access to a Composer at work? __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 11th, 2003, 01:48 AM	#7
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	At Channel 5, where I work, we have a production company renting out space, Ko-Mar Productions. They have an XPress and Symphony. I think I'll buy the first Avid training book (cheaper on Amazon than on avid.com) and when I'm ready, the other FCP book. I'm focusing on Avid for now, then FCP certification. I need to learn FCP 4, since it's so different from 3. THANKS! heath ps-Where are you in terms of West Palm Beach? __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

December 11th, 2003, 07:03 AM	#8
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	I'm just above Clearwater. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 11th, 2003, 09:49 AM	#9
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Gotcha. Just curious. I'm looking at Ft. Lauderdale and Miami for a new job. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

December 17th, 2003, 01:04 PM	#10
Marcus Farrar Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC USA Posts: 110	I have also taken a few avid certified classes complements of my employer (nice right). Anyway if you plan on skipping the first two classes you will need to have a good understanding of Avid. If you don't you will be lost in class. A rock solid editor may be able to coach his was through it but it sure is easy when you know what they are talking about. Some of the newbies in my class had it hard with no experience. I agree being able to say you are certified gives you a little edge over someone who is not. Some of the guys I know on Avid for years and no certification would rock to socks off most of these new cats with a certification though. Experience is still strongly looked at so I would have to say both. On the other side I am still in FCP 3 and if Avid is not going to come up with a full version to work with OSX they may see a few of us roll over to FCP 4. I use both FCP and Avid and like both. __________________ Marcus Farrar Production Director Katana Productions www.katanapro.com