Avid / Pinnacle discussions from 2004

Christopher Go · February 25th, 2004, 08:47 AM

If I remember correctly, that fix is for a local security exploit rather than for a remote one so you should be fine as long as your computer is yours to use. Does anyone else have access to it? I doubt family members could make use of that exploit anyway, afterall, with physical access to a machine there are a lot more easier ways to mess with a machine. As Glenn noted, you're fine without the "fix".

Tony Pham · February 25th, 2004, 06:18 PM

Anyone, Help????

John Lee · February 25th, 2004, 08:02 PM

Hi Tony,

I use Xpress DV 3.5.4, very similar to pro. However, I haven't gotten to nesting filters yet. I think you should try the forums over at www.avid.com

I've been able to get a lot of technical support from some Avid experts there. Registration is free.

Tony Pham · February 26th, 2004, 12:02 AM

Hi John, thanks for your reply. But I didn't mean nesting Filters. I meant nesting Sequences. However, thanks for your advice. I went to avid and was able to get the solution. Thanks again.

Alexis Vazquez · February 26th, 2004, 06:44 AM

Dont Update yours OS (MAC/PC) until its aproved by AVID. Thats AVID Golden rule!. You need to verify first at Avid web site if "x" update is approved, if its not don't install it, it would get you into constant headaches.
Alexis

Martin Garrison · February 26th, 2004, 08:48 AM

Tony,

I didn't think you could do that in Avid, please share what you learned.

Tony Pham · February 26th, 2004, 12:01 PM

Hi Martin,

It's possible to nest sequences in Avid. All we have to do is load the sequence into the source monitor and treat it as a clip. Set in and out point then load it into a new sequence. Just a side note, don't double clip on the sequence (doing it that only opens that sequence). We should drag the sequence to the source monitor instead. Hope this helps.

Ronnie Grahn · February 26th, 2004, 07:21 PM

There's a fix for the KB824141 bug available:
http://www.avid.com/community/forums...ML/003530.html.

John Lee · February 28th, 2004, 04:32 PM

I use the GL2, typically the generic dv capture template. Apparantly this is a standard problem. AVID just lags behind the camera during firewire capture. Since I've adjusted and I shoot around the problem, it hasn't been an issue anymore. AVID is really picky about broken timecode, and most of the footage I was capturing back when I posted this question was stuff I did when I was quite a novice, so there were a lot of broken timecodes.

Craig Moreschini · March 3rd, 2004, 01:17 PM

I shot a fiction feature using a JVC GY-DV500, but I still have to shoot a separate story thread for it. I have been offline editing it on Avid Express Pro, with plans to batch capture the footage again after I’ve transferred it to DigitalBeta and then do an Online edit on a more sturdy Avid.

- Anyway I’m in a money crunch waiting around to shoot these final scenes, and I wouldn’t mind a smaller camera. Reading about the JVC GR-HD1U, I am wondering a few things:

I’ve read about methods for editing footage on Premiere and Final Cut, but I’m wondering how I can edit on my Avid?

o Can I take the down converted SD it outputs and do a frame accurate edit in Avid and then match back to the HD with an EDL? In one of the bundled software packages the JVC GR-HD1U comes with, can I import an EDL?

o What other avenues might anyone suggest? I don’t think Avid supports HD projects on Pro unless they’re 23.976p. I am of the impression that it doesn’t support uncompressed AVIs.

- So, if this is possible, I guess I’d offhand be thinking that I’d batch capture from my timeline the (existing) SD MiniDV uncompressed then output (digital cut) to DigitalBeta, or maybe directly to D-5 master (along with the footage from the JVC GR-HD1U). In terms of getting the best quality masters, does anyone see a problem with this thinking?

- I have some friends that might be able to swing this Online work for cheap, but if not, for festival submissions and non-disturbed theatre showings, would the following work? - Could I up-convert my own prior SD output to this camera and do a simple assemble edit (of the Avid edited output and the HD edited in either Avid or one of the free programs) in one of these free programs (or maybe a friend’s Premiere or Final Cut Pro) and then output to D-VHS or something as a (optimistically) temporary master?

Also, does anyone know of a site where I could download clips of these panning problems that occur with the JVC GR-HD1U?

Heath McKnight · March 4th, 2004, 07:17 PM

I don't think Avid supports HDV yet...

As far as a capture card converting HDV, AJA's Kona HD card seems to be the best so far, going from HDV to HD with no problems. You edit with Final Cut Pro, though...

heath

Craig Moreschini · March 5th, 2004, 06:02 AM

I have been reading a bunch of things, avenues for editing this HD footage, but I think I maybe missing some things . . .

First, is there a FAQ regarding editing the HD output from this camera somewhere?

Second, I am considering that it maybe better if I just get a G5 and Final Cut Pro to edit this footage. And when I say just I don’t mean that I have unlimited money, more in I was considering getting a G5 anyway and am looking for the most cost effective solution.

That said, I was under the impression that I could output uncompressed footage via firewire to the computer, and that I’d only need secondary software (like maybe this http://www.heuris.com/MPEGProducts/IndieHDToolkit/indie.htm ) to edit uncompressed in Final Cut Pro. Am I wrong about this, would I still some sort of card?

Or is the card (I was confused about what I was reading on the AJA page) for capturing/converting SD to HD? Which is something that I am particularly interested in doing.

Now I know there are many shades between working to create the best quality Masters and the economy of DIY on your own desktop. But what I’d like to do is create something that would look good to project at a festival, produce festival submissions, and a website; and make it easy to up to full HD or the best quality possible when I later have the money without completely reediting the everything.

Can I do this on a G5 with Final Cut Pro? Is there a FAQ/tread in existence specifically for this? And if not, what barebones additional hardware/software would I need for the G5?

Also, offhand in terms of GB to minutes, what is the conversion when we are talking about uncompressed output from this camera?

Heath McKnight · March 5th, 2004, 08:52 AM

There is only one solution, and it's from Heuris, as far as an official Apple editing solution is concerned.

http://www.heuris/com

Some other ideas are floating around including these:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=16812

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=20387

and more...(I can't seem to find some of them).

heath

Craig Moreschini · March 5th, 2004, 09:21 AM

Okay, I found two good beginner treads which answer a lot of general questions:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19556

For general editing solutions explained, and

PC:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17012
Mac:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22019
For lots of software issues.

Also, here for a discussion of TC issues:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21696

I also understand now the difference between HDV and HD, basically. I guess if one wanted to up convert to regular HD, which I guess is the purpose of this card.

I also was offered some solutions in the Avid Community forum:
http://www.avid.com/community/forums/Forum38/HTML/003675.html

But basically, for the time being, I think it would be better to edit in another NLE other then Avid, either Premiere for PC and Final Cut Pro in Mac, based on what I’ve read so far. . .

In terms of converting SD DV to HD, it seems it would be best to edit a project first in Premiere or Final Cut Pro in SD, and then import the footage in to a HD project where it would be converted/resized to HD. Is my thinking on this correct?

I am still thinking about getting the G5, and hoping by the end of the NBA there are some cheap solutions for Final Cut Pro.

Maggie Goldwasser · March 8th, 2004, 09:56 AM

I am about to purchase my own editing software and after a bit of research I have found that Pinnacle Liquid 5.5 seems to be a very good, easy to use program. I'm wondering if anyone out there uses it and has any input for me. Or if you want to suggest an alternative, please do. thanks.

February 25th, 2004, 08:02 PM	#63
John Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 152	Hi Tony, I use Xpress DV 3.5.4, very similar to pro. However, I haven't gotten to nesting filters yet. I think you should try the forums over at www.avid.com I've been able to get a lot of technical support from some Avid experts there. Registration is free. __________________ John Lee Levelse7en@gmail.com

February 26th, 2004, 07:21 PM	#68
Ronnie Grahn Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Helsingborg, Sweden Posts: 77	Fix for KB824141 bug There's a fix for the KB824141 bug available: http://www.avid.com/community/forums...ML/003530.html. __________________ www.ninjafury.com \| www.ronniegrahn.com

February 28th, 2004, 04:32 PM	#69
John Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 152	I use the GL2, typically the generic dv capture template. Apparantly this is a standard problem. AVID just lags behind the camera during firewire capture. Since I've adjusted and I shoot around the problem, it hasn't been an issue anymore. AVID is really picky about broken timecode, and most of the footage I was capturing back when I posted this question was stuff I did when I was quite a novice, so there were a lot of broken timecodes. __________________ John Lee Levelse7en@gmail.com

March 3rd, 2004, 01:17 PM	#70
Craig Moreschini New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Pueblo, Colorado Posts: 10	Editing with the JVC GR-HD1U on AVID? I shot a fiction feature using a JVC GY-DV500, but I still have to shoot a separate story thread for it. I have been offline editing it on Avid Express Pro, with plans to batch capture the footage again after I’ve transferred it to DigitalBeta and then do an Online edit on a more sturdy Avid. - Anyway I’m in a money crunch waiting around to shoot these final scenes, and I wouldn’t mind a smaller camera. Reading about the JVC GR-HD1U, I am wondering a few things: I’ve read about methods for editing footage on Premiere and Final Cut, but I’m wondering how I can edit on my Avid? o Can I take the down converted SD it outputs and do a frame accurate edit in Avid and then match back to the HD with an EDL? In one of the bundled software packages the JVC GR-HD1U comes with, can I import an EDL? o What other avenues might anyone suggest? I don’t think Avid supports HD projects on Pro unless they’re 23.976p. I am of the impression that it doesn’t support uncompressed AVIs. - So, if this is possible, I guess I’d offhand be thinking that I’d batch capture from my timeline the (existing) SD MiniDV uncompressed then output (digital cut) to DigitalBeta, or maybe directly to D-5 master (along with the footage from the JVC GR-HD1U). In terms of getting the best quality masters, does anyone see a problem with this thinking? - I have some friends that might be able to swing this Online work for cheap, but if not, for festival submissions and non-disturbed theatre showings, would the following work? - Could I up-convert my own prior SD output to this camera and do a simple assemble edit (of the Avid edited output and the HD edited in either Avid or one of the free programs) in one of these free programs (or maybe a friend’s Premiere or Final Cut Pro) and then output to D-VHS or something as a (optimistically) temporary master? Also, does anyone know of a site where I could download clips of these panning problems that occur with the JVC GR-HD1U?

March 4th, 2004, 07:17 PM	#71
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I don't think Avid supports HDV yet... As far as a capture card converting HDV, AJA's Kona HD card seems to be the best so far, going from HDV to HD with no problems. You edit with Final Cut Pro, though... heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 25th, 2004, 08:47 AM	#61
Christopher Go Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 429	If I remember correctly, that fix is for a local security exploit rather than for a remote one so you should be fine as long as your computer is yours to use. Does anyone else have access to it? I doubt family members could make use of that exploit anyway, afterall, with physical access to a machine there are a lot more easier ways to mess with a machine. As Glenn noted, you're fine without the "fix".

February 25th, 2004, 06:18 PM	#62
Tony Pham Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Garden Grove, CA Posts: 70	Anyone, Help????

February 26th, 2004, 12:02 AM	#64
Tony Pham Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Garden Grove, CA Posts: 70	Hi John, thanks for your reply. But I didn't mean nesting Filters. I meant nesting Sequences. However, thanks for your advice. I went to avid and was able to get the solution. Thanks again.

February 26th, 2004, 06:44 AM	#65
Alexis Vazquez Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 188	Dont Update yours OS (MAC/PC) until its aproved by AVID. Thats AVID Golden rule!. You need to verify first at Avid web site if "x" update is approved, if its not don't install it, it would get you into constant headaches. Alexis

February 26th, 2004, 08:48 AM	#66
Martin Garrison Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 173	Tony, I didn't think you could do that in Avid, please share what you learned.

February 26th, 2004, 12:01 PM	#67
Tony Pham Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Garden Grove, CA Posts: 70	Hi Martin, It's possible to nest sequences in Avid. All we have to do is load the sequence into the source monitor and treat it as a clip. Set in and out point then load it into a new sequence. Just a side note, don't double clip on the sequence (doing it that only opens that sequence). We should drag the sequence to the source monitor instead. Hope this helps.

March 5th, 2004, 06:02 AM	#72
Craig Moreschini New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Pueblo, Colorado Posts: 10	Final Cut Pro? I have been reading a bunch of things, avenues for editing this HD footage, but I think I maybe missing some things . . . First, is there a FAQ regarding editing the HD output from this camera somewhere? Second, I am considering that it maybe better if I just get a G5 and Final Cut Pro to edit this footage. And when I say just I don’t mean that I have unlimited money, more in I was considering getting a G5 anyway and am looking for the most cost effective solution. That said, I was under the impression that I could output uncompressed footage via firewire to the computer, and that I’d only need secondary software (like maybe this http://www.heuris.com/MPEGProducts/IndieHDToolkit/indie.htm ) to edit uncompressed in Final Cut Pro. Am I wrong about this, would I still some sort of card? Or is the card (I was confused about what I was reading on the AJA page) for capturing/converting SD to HD? Which is something that I am particularly interested in doing. Now I know there are many shades between working to create the best quality Masters and the economy of DIY on your own desktop. But what I’d like to do is create something that would look good to project at a festival, produce festival submissions, and a website; and make it easy to up to full HD or the best quality possible when I later have the money without completely reediting the everything. Can I do this on a G5 with Final Cut Pro? Is there a FAQ/tread in existence specifically for this? And if not, what barebones additional hardware/software would I need for the G5? Also, offhand in terms of GB to minutes, what is the conversion when we are talking about uncompressed output from this camera?

March 5th, 2004, 08:52 AM	#73
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	There is only one solution, and it's from Heuris, as far as an official Apple editing solution is concerned. http://www.heuris/com Some other ideas are floating around including these: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=16812 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=20387 and more...(I can't seem to find some of them). heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 5th, 2004, 09:21 AM	#74
Craig Moreschini New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Pueblo, Colorado Posts: 10	Okay, I found two good beginner treads which answer a lot of general questions: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19556 For general editing solutions explained, and PC: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17012 Mac: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22019 For lots of software issues. Also, here for a discussion of TC issues: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21696 I also understand now the difference between HDV and HD, basically. I guess if one wanted to up convert to regular HD, which I guess is the purpose of this card. I also was offered some solutions in the Avid Community forum: http://www.avid.com/community/forums/Forum38/HTML/003675.html But basically, for the time being, I think it would be better to edit in another NLE other then Avid, either Premiere for PC and Final Cut Pro in Mac, based on what I’ve read so far. . . In terms of converting SD DV to HD, it seems it would be best to edit a project first in Premiere or Final Cut Pro in SD, and then import the footage in to a HD project where it would be converted/resized to HD. Is my thinking on this correct? I am still thinking about getting the G5, and hoping by the end of the NBA there are some cheap solutions for Final Cut Pro.

March 8th, 2004, 09:56 AM	#75
Maggie Goldwasser Tourist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 3	Pinnacle Liquid Edition I am about to purchase my own editing software and after a bit of research I have found that Pinnacle Liquid 5.5 seems to be a very good, easy to use program. I'm wondering if anyone out there uses it and has any input for me. Or if you want to suggest an alternative, please do. thanks.