Edited footage from AVCHD, how much interest?

Steven White · November 8th, 2006, 11:54 AM

I'm curious if you'd be willing to comment on the quality difference between AVCHD and HDV, both in terms of theoretical limits and the practical cameras?

Personally, if I bought a camcorder that was outputting to 1920x1080, I would be disappointed to not have access to the full frame - regardless of quality. So I'd say "yes" to the full 1920 as well... not that I can see myself "upgrading" from HDV anytime soon.

-Steve

David Newman · November 8th, 2006, 12:21 PM

At the moment I feel AVCHD is lower quality than many of HDV implementations, but that maybe a comsumer for prosumer product thing, not reflecting the compression standard. Which means the 1920x1080 image is likely worse than an HDV 1440x1080 signal. I will take your vote in favor of a 1920x1080 solution.

Chris Wren · November 8th, 2006, 01:14 PM

I also think many people are waiting for the software to become available before buying AVCHD-cameras from Sony or Panasonic. That is part of what is holding me back as well.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · November 8th, 2006, 02:03 PM

Actually, the cameras are selling very well already, to the target market; consumers. The "prosumer" may not be buying into these cameras yet due to quality issues and issues of editing challenges, but as mentioned in another thread, the "dentist-sumer" are already buying up AVCHD cams.

John Kert · November 10th, 2006, 05:27 PM

I am ready to buy the Sony SR1. I have connect HD. Willing to pay for upgrade to AVCHD. Thanks David.
JK

Mark Goldberg · November 11th, 2006, 10:14 PM

I saw an item on the Sony Media Software website saying that in Spring of 07, there will be a free update for Vegas 7 users that will deal with AVCHD files.

Brent Marks · November 30th, 2006, 06:36 AM

It has been almost 3 weeks on this topic.

What is the current situation of editing AVCHD files?

We use Vegas7

Dave F. Nelson · December 9th, 2006, 02:52 PM

I would like to see 1920 x 1080 support in Aspect HD.

I would also like to see HDMI uncompressed injest support for the Black Magic Intensity card in Aspect HD.

This would allow indie filmmakers on a small budget to record from the cmos sensor "almost" directly, and bypass H.264 compression altogether.

I use Adobe PPro2.

Thanks.

Peter Ferling · December 12th, 2006, 08:13 AM

David, I'll raise my hand as well. Several facilities within our company asked me about an easy to use camcorder to use on site, with the possibility of editing by me if needed, and they want tapeless. The new hard drive camcorders have their interest, and my input was to get something in the HD range. (So it looks like I might be working with the AVCHD format as well).

Jason Burkhimer · December 14th, 2006, 08:39 PM

David, whats the status on this?

David Newman · December 26th, 2006, 12:01 PM

We have completely worked out how to do, we just need a AVC decoder to license (or point our users to license a particular decoder.) I was working and testing with CoreAVC, yet that company seems to be having some difficulties (not answering email or delivering on PayPal purchased licenses.) So anyone can recommend a company to license a decent AVC decoder (DirectShow) and/or provide a useful contact at CoreAVC, we are in a holding pattern until the decoder license is solved.

Jason Burkhimer · December 26th, 2006, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

We have completely worked out how to do, we just need a AVC decoder to license (or point our users to license a particular decoder.) I was working and testing with CoreAVC, yet that company seems to be having some difficulties (not answering email or delivering on PayPal purchased licenses.) So anyone can recommend a company to license a decent AVC decoder (DirectShow) and/or provide a useful contact at CoreAVC, we are in a holding pattern until the decoder license is solved.

Its good to hear that youve worked out a gameplan! I dont know enough about these coding companies to be able to offer any help. I hope CoreAVC gets their act together soon though! I'm going to buy a SR1 soon, because the waves have been good hear in V.B. and its too cold to lug the HVX + equip. to the beach right now not to mention sand and salt air issues! I think I can protect a small palmcorder a little bettah!

-burk

John McManimie · December 26th, 2006, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

We have completely worked out how to do, we just need a AVC decoder to license (or point our users to license a particular decoder.) I was working and testing with CoreAVC, yet that company seems to be having some difficulties (not answering email or delivering on PayPal purchased licenses.) So anyone can recommend a company to license a decent AVC decoder (DirectShow) and/or provide a useful contact at CoreAVC, we are in a holding pattern until the decoder license is solved.

What about the MainConcept H.264/AVC Decoder?
http://www.mainconcept.com/site/index.php?id=17747
They also offer a Windows DirectShow SDK: http://www.mainconcept.com/site/index.php?id=4786

Or perhaps Elecard? http://www.elecard.com
Elecard PC Application SDKs: http://www.elecard.com/products/products-pc/sdk/

Giroud Francois · December 26th, 2006, 04:15 PM

videolan has the code for free
http://developers.videolan.org/x264.html
and MSU is listing some comparison with some codec
http://www.compression.ru/video/code...c_h264_en.html
and videosoft is selling it (they are at ver 3 now)
http://www.vsofts.com/h264/codec-3_0.html

Personally i do not care for AVC, but sometime, when your favorite tool can ingest something you never use, it can save your life, and it is a "good to have", especially if it is cheap.
From the marketing point of view, you should lower price of Aspect/Prospect a bit and add the avc feature in Prospect only.
This would keep thing clear and help purchase decision.
For instance , i find Aspect a bit expensive for 8 bit HDV only, while Prospect is far too expensive to get only the additional 10 bit feature.

November 8th, 2006, 12:21 PM	#17
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	At the moment I feel AVCHD is lower quality than many of HDV implementations, but that maybe a comsumer for prosumer product thing, not reflecting the compression standard. Which means the 1920x1080 image is likely worse than an HDV 1440x1080 signal. I will take your vote in favor of a 1920x1080 solution. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 8th, 2006, 01:14 PM	#18
Chris Wren New Boot Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 18	I also think many people are waiting for the software to become available before buying AVCHD-cameras from Sony or Panasonic. That is part of what is holding me back as well. __________________ http://mediaforum.afterglowmedia.nl/

November 8th, 2006, 02:03 PM	#19
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Actually, the cameras are selling very well already, to the target market; consumers. The "prosumer" may not be buying into these cameras yet due to quality issues and issues of editing challenges, but as mentioned in another thread, the "dentist-sumer" are already buying up AVCHD cams. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

November 10th, 2006, 05:27 PM	#20
John Kert New Boot Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA Posts: 6	Yes to AVCHD with Connect HD I am ready to buy the Sony SR1. I have connect HD. Willing to pay for upgrade to AVCHD. Thanks David. JK

November 11th, 2006, 10:14 PM	#21
Mark Goldberg Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Annapolis, Maryland Posts: 101	AVCHD in Vegas - Spring 07 I saw an item on the Sony Media Software website saying that in Spring of 07, there will be a free update for Vegas 7 users that will deal with AVCHD files.

November 8th, 2006, 11:54 AM	#16
Steven White Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 547	I'm curious if you'd be willing to comment on the quality difference between AVCHD and HDV, both in terms of theoretical limits and the practical cameras? Personally, if I bought a camcorder that was outputting to 1920x1080, I would be disappointed to not have access to the full frame - regardless of quality. So I'd say "yes" to the full 1920 as well... not that I can see myself "upgrading" from HDV anytime soon. -Steve

November 30th, 2006, 06:36 AM	#22
Brent Marks Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston TX and New Orleans LA Posts: 300	It has been almost 3 weeks on this topic. What is the current situation of editing AVCHD files? We use Vegas7 __________________ I produce High Quality content with My Certain Style... I cover South Padre, TX to Tampa Bay, FL FYI: That includes... Corpus Christi, Galveston, Houston, Beaumont/ Lake Charles, Lafayette, Baton Rouge, New Orleans, Biloxi, Mobile, Penscola, Ft. Walton, Panama City... Any every little city and town in between. If you need anything, Let's talk...

December 9th, 2006, 02:52 PM	#23
Dave F. Nelson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 129	I would like to see 1920 x 1080 support in Aspect HD. I would also like to see HDMI uncompressed injest support for the Black Magic Intensity card in Aspect HD. This would allow indie filmmakers on a small budget to record from the cmos sensor "almost" directly, and bypass H.264 compression altogether. I use Adobe PPro2. Thanks.

December 12th, 2006, 08:13 AM	#24
Peter Ferling Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wyomissing, PA Posts: 1,141 Images: 57	David, I'll raise my hand as well. Several facilities within our company asked me about an easy to use camcorder to use on site, with the possibility of editing by me if needed, and they want tapeless. The new hard drive camcorders have their interest, and my input was to get something in the HD range. (So it looks like I might be working with the AVCHD format as well).

December 14th, 2006, 08:39 PM	#25
Jason Burkhimer Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 220	David, whats the status on this?

December 26th, 2006, 12:01 PM	#26
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	We have completely worked out how to do, we just need a AVC decoder to license (or point our users to license a particular decoder.) I was working and testing with CoreAVC, yet that company seems to be having some difficulties (not answering email or delivering on PayPal purchased licenses.) So anyone can recommend a company to license a decent AVC decoder (DirectShow) and/or provide a useful contact at CoreAVC, we are in a holding pattern until the decoder license is solved. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

December 26th, 2006, 04:15 PM	#29
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	videolan has the code for free http://developers.videolan.org/x264.html and MSU is listing some comparison with some codec http://www.compression.ru/video/code...c_h264_en.html and videosoft is selling it (they are at ver 3 now) http://www.vsofts.com/h264/codec-3_0.html Personally i do not care for AVC, but sometime, when your favorite tool can ingest something you never use, it can save your life, and it is a "good to have", especially if it is cheap. From the marketing point of view, you should lower price of Aspect/Prospect a bit and add the avc feature in Prospect only. This would keep thing clear and help purchase decision. For instance , i find Aspect a bit expensive for 8 bit HDV only, while Prospect is far too expensive to get only the additional 10 bit feature.