Panasonic AVCHD cam coming soon at DVinfo.net

Chris Hurd · September 25th, 2006, 06:40 PM

Check it out, from Akihabara, at http://www.akihabaranews.com/news-12...camcorder.html

No model number or price, but will record HD at 6 or 9 mbps to an SD card. 3CCD it says.

Looking for an official press release from Panasonic...

Steve Nunez · September 25th, 2006, 07:05 PM

Excellent find! Panasonic and Canon usually produce stellar products- I can't wait for more info!

Paulo Teixeira · September 25th, 2006, 07:08 PM

The 6 and 9 figures is most likely for recordings in standard definition MPEG2.
The figure for AVCHD mode should be a lot higher.

Chris Hurd · September 25th, 2006, 07:57 PM

Pretty sure those are HD bit rates... that's one of the best things about AVC and H.264 compression. At the Apple press event for NAB2004, I saw HD projected on a huge screen at 8mbps using H.264 and it looked great.

Lynne Whelden · September 26th, 2006, 09:05 PM

Darn, doesn't exactly look like the pocket cam I was hoping for. It even has a flip-out LCD screen.

Jack Zhang · October 9th, 2006, 11:22 PM

Another concept picture of what it might look like is found.

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...4/ceat8_04.jpg

Kevin Shaw · October 9th, 2006, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

...that's one of the best things about AVC and H.264 compression. At the Apple press event for NAB2004, I saw HD projected on a huge screen at 8mbps using H.264 and it looked great.

But that footage was probably created on powerful computers given plenty of time to render the output. For cameras it would be better to get something at least close to HDV bit rates and preferably higher: H.264 at 25-50 Mbps would be very interesting. Seems like Panasonic has been saying they're planning to do just that, so let's see if they come through.

Barry Green · October 10th, 2006, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Shaw

H.264 at 25-50 Mbps would be very interesting. Seems like Panasonic has been saying they're planning to do just that, so let's see if they come through.

Different format though. You're talking about AVC-Intra at 50 megabits, vs. AVC-HD at up to 18 megabits. AVC-HD is a long-GOP format, sort of a "super-HDV". AVC-Intra is a frame-discrete format, no GOP, 4:2:2 color and I think it's supposed to be 10-bit as well, so it's sort of a "super-DVCPRO-HD". Different formats for different markets.

Kevin Shaw · October 10th, 2006, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Green

Different format though. You're talking about AVC-Intra at 50 megabits, vs. AVC-HD at up to 18 megabits. AVC-HD is a long-GOP format, sort of a "super-HDV". AVC-Intra is a frame-discrete format, no GOP, 4:2:2 color and I think it's supposed to be 10-bit as well, so it's sort of a "super-DVCPRO-HD". Different formats for different markets.

Right. Point being that AVCHD at bit rates of 6-9 Mbps isn't all that interesting compared to HDV, but give us the same compression technology with some decent bandwidth and now we don't need DVCProHD or uber-expensive P2 memory cards. In other words, I don't want another "pretty good" HD format, I want awesome quality recorded on inexpensive off-the-shelf flash memory.

Gen Franks · October 11th, 2006, 12:19 PM

This looks like a product announcement video. Nice looking camera. I did not get any sound. If anyone gets sound and could translate, that would be awesome

http://gizmologia.com/2006/10/ceatec...d-de-panasonic

Gen Franks · October 11th, 2006, 12:37 PM

Took place in japan at Ceatec Tech conventions

http://www.digitalworldtokyo.com/200...sdonly_hid.php

Jerry Jones · October 11th, 2006, 04:32 PM

Sweet!

Thanks for posting that link.

I like the looks of that camcorder.

I hope Panasonic includes a microphone input.

I also hope they'll give us 720/60p as a recording option.

There's also a great article about AVCHD here:

http://governmentvideo.com/articles/...icle_982.shtml

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

David Andrews · October 12th, 2006, 03:32 AM

Canopus is now listed among the supporters of this format. This good news for Edius users.

Graham Hickling · October 12th, 2006, 06:23 PM

I thought this was odd (from that nvvtd review): "...the idea is to allow consumers to burn their own AVCHD videos direct to Blu-ray discs... with HDV, on the other hand, there would need to be a transcoding step (MPEG-2 to H.264) ..."

That's not correct is it?? Blu-ray supports MPEG2....

Paulo Teixeira · October 12th, 2006, 08:17 PM

There is also an option for a variable bit rate of 13MBPS on average so it can probably go up to 16MBPS in fast action shots.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,12...s/article.html

Quote:

For a 4GB SD card, the storage will be 85 minutes at 6 megabits per second, 55 minutes at 9 mbps and 40 minutes at 13 mbps, Panasonic said

September 25th, 2006, 06:40 PM	#1
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Panasonic AVCHD cam coming soon Check it out, from Akihabara, at http://www.akihabaranews.com/news-12...camcorder.html No model number or price, but will record HD at 6 or 9 mbps to an SD card. 3CCD it says. Looking for an official press release from Panasonic... __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 25th, 2006, 07:05 PM	#2
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	Excellent find! Panasonic and Canon usually produce stellar products- I can't wait for more info! __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

September 25th, 2006, 07:57 PM	#4
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Pretty sure those are HD bit rates... that's one of the best things about AVC and H.264 compression. At the Apple press event for NAB2004, I saw HD projected on a huge screen at 8mbps using H.264 and it looked great. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 11th, 2006, 12:19 PM	#10
Gen Franks New Boot Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Utay Posts: 14	Video footage of the new pana avchd Camera This looks like a product announcement video. Nice looking camera. I did not get any sound. If anyone gets sound and could translate, that would be awesome http://gizmologia.com/2006/10/ceatec...d-de-panasonic

October 11th, 2006, 12:37 PM	#11
Gen Franks New Boot Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Utay Posts: 14	Found an english version of the Panasonic AVCD announcement video Took place in japan at Ceatec Tech conventions http://www.digitalworldtokyo.com/200...sdonly_hid.php

September 25th, 2006, 07:08 PM	#3
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	The 6 and 9 figures is most likely for recordings in standard definition MPEG2. The figure for AVCHD mode should be a lot higher.

September 26th, 2006, 09:05 PM	#5
Lynne Whelden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 604	Darn, doesn't exactly look like the pocket cam I was hoping for. It even has a flip-out LCD screen.

October 9th, 2006, 11:22 PM	#6
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Another concept picture of what it might look like is found. http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...4/ceat8_04.jpg

October 11th, 2006, 04:32 PM	#12
Jerry Jones Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 54	Sweet! Thanks for posting that link. I like the looks of that camcorder. I hope Panasonic includes a microphone input. I also hope they'll give us 720/60p as a recording option. There's also a great article about AVCHD here: http://governmentvideo.com/articles/...icle_982.shtml Jerry Jones http://www.jonesgroup.net Last edited by Jerry Jones; October 11th, 2006 at 09:23 PM.

October 12th, 2006, 03:32 AM	#13
David Andrews Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 131	Canopus is now listed among the supporters of this format. This good news for Edius users.

October 12th, 2006, 06:23 PM	#14
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	I thought this was odd (from that nvvtd review): "...the idea is to allow consumers to burn their own AVCHD videos direct to Blu-ray discs... with HDV, on the other hand, there would need to be a transcoding step (MPEG-2 to H.264) ..." That's not correct is it?? Blu-ray supports MPEG2....