An AVCHD camcorder wish list? at DVinfo.net

Wes Vasher · August 1st, 2006, 10:00 AM

- Large sensor with good dynamic range above everything else
- Manual focus ring
- Highest bitrate possible for the standard
- 720 24p to 60p
- Large LCD with focus and exposure assist
- Records to external hard drive module or built in SD card slot
- Under $2000

Am I crazy? How about a Panasonic little brother to the HVX-200?

Brian Andrews · August 1st, 2006, 10:53 AM

I'm right there with you...

Maybe the next DVC30? An AVCHD camera with three 1/4" CCDs at $2000 would be very interesting. Steal some thunder away from the new Canons.

Think it will happen? Or will Panny and Sony keep AVCHD in the consumer world only?

Barry Green · August 1st, 2006, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes Vasher

Am I crazy? How about a Panasonic little brother to the HVX-200?

That's what I'm hoping for. They could even call it HVX-100... ;)

Kevin Shaw · August 1st, 2006, 12:51 PM

Panasonic has already indicated that they're working on a more professional AVC camera, but I doubt it will cost only $2000. If I was them I'd take the HVX200 and convert it to record AVCHD on standard CompactFlash memory cards with at least 3-4 slots in the camera, restrict the recording options if necessary to hold cost down, and drop the price to compete with the new Canon HDV cameras. I'd also go find a better sensor, since the one in the HVX200 is barely better than PAL resolution. Bump the AVC bit rate to 50 Mbps like they've already proposed and we'd have a camera which offers a useful alternative to both HDV and DVCProHD without requiring expensive P2 memory cards.

Sooner or later someone will make a camera like this at a reasonable price, but I'm not holding my breath. If Panasonic doesn't do it soon I'd expect a long wait, with Sony trying to push Blu-ray recording and JVC and Canon taking their sweet time getting around to all this.

Lawrence Bansbach · August 1st, 2006, 02:15 PM

Three 1/2" progressive CCDs or CMOS chips with 1,440 x 810 pixels (roughly the same pixel density as the HVX's) or even 1,536 x 864 pixels
Removable lens; the default lens should be as good as the HVX's
Support for an AVC Intra data rate of at least 100 Mbps (for 10-bit, 4:4:2 or even 4:4:4 at 1,920 x 1,080)
Variable frame rates for 1080p as well as 720p
On-board hard-disk controller
Support for Compact Flash
Viewfinder at front end of the carry handle à la the JVC HD100
HD-SDI

Douglas Spotted Eagle · August 1st, 2006, 02:47 PM

Since we're wishing...
I wish for:
200Mbps datarate
8 channels uncompressed audio
1 4inch CMOS chip of 1920 x 1080
12 bit, 4:4:4 color sampling
2 TB onboard storage
6 to 2000 fps
24p, 25p, 30p, 50i, 60i, 60p, and 120p
full resolution display, flipout or detachable
Removeable lens
No built in microphone, just breakout fan/box
HD SDI
Firewire 800
HDMI
Uncompressed component output
Svideo downsample
Firewire downsample to 4:4:4 uncompressed SD

All in the consumer price range of 3k or less.

Lawrence Bansbach · August 1st, 2006, 03:01 PM

Now you're just getting greedy. ;)

Douglas Spotted Eagle · August 1st, 2006, 04:09 PM

Well, in my fantasies, I'm young, good looking, slender, strong as an ox, taller, thicker hair, smarter than Einstein, athletic as any NBA/NFL/ABA/USPA champion, and able to leap small buildings in a single bound.
Since we're fantasizing in this thread, why can't I be greedy too? ;-)

Wes Vasher · August 2nd, 2006, 06:38 AM

I can imagine a $4000 high quality AVC camcorder if the quality of the video was at least as good as that of the HDV... which I hope it would be. I would actually hope it to be better.

I'd be willing to buy that new $4000 Canon HDV camcorder if it were only progressive :( I'm using it for personal projects with a lot of special effects. The HVX is just too much money.

Jack Zhang · August 10th, 2006, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle

Since we're wishing...
I wish for:
200Mbps datarate
8 channels uncompressed audio
1 4inch CMOS chip of 1920 x 1080
12 bit, 4:4:4 color sampling
2 TB onboard storage
6 to 2000 fps
24p, 25p, 30p, 50i, 60i, 60p, and 120p
full resolution display, flipout or detachable
Removeable lens
No built in microphone, just breakout fan/box
HD SDI
Firewire 800
HDMI
Uncompressed component output
Svideo downsample
Firewire downsample to 4:4:4 uncompressed SD

All in the consumer price range of 3k or less.

That would be the Canon XL series + RED.

Lawrence Bansbach · August 11th, 2006, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Zhang

That would be the Canon XL series + RED.

For 3k or less?

August 1st, 2006, 10:00 AM	#1
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	An AVCHD camcorder wish list? - Large sensor with good dynamic range above everything else - Manual focus ring - Highest bitrate possible for the standard - 720 24p to 60p - Large LCD with focus and exposure assist - Records to external hard drive module or built in SD card slot - Under $2000 Am I crazy? How about a Panasonic little brother to the HVX-200?

August 1st, 2006, 02:15 PM	#5
Lawrence Bansbach Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 295	Three 1/2" progressive CCDs or CMOS chips with 1,440 x 810 pixels (roughly the same pixel density as the HVX's) or even 1,536 x 864 pixels Removable lens; the default lens should be as good as the HVX's Support for an AVC Intra data rate of at least 100 Mbps (for 10-bit, 4:4:2 or even 4:4:4 at 1,920 x 1,080) Variable frame rates for 1080p as well as 720p On-board hard-disk controller Support for Compact Flash Viewfinder at front end of the carry handle à la the JVC HD100 HD-SDI

August 1st, 2006, 02:47 PM	#6
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Since we're wishing... I wish for: 200Mbps datarate 8 channels uncompressed audio 1 4inch CMOS chip of 1920 x 1080 12 bit, 4:4:4 color sampling 2 TB onboard storage 6 to 2000 fps 24p, 25p, 30p, 50i, 60i, 60p, and 120p full resolution display, flipout or detachable Removeable lens No built in microphone, just breakout fan/box HD SDI Firewire 800 HDMI Uncompressed component output Svideo downsample Firewire downsample to 4:4:4 uncompressed SD All in the consumer price range of 3k or less. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

August 1st, 2006, 04:09 PM	#8
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Well, in my fantasies, I'm young, good looking, slender, strong as an ox, taller, thicker hair, smarter than Einstein, athletic as any NBA/NFL/ABA/USPA champion, and able to leap small buildings in a single bound. Since we're fantasizing in this thread, why can't I be greedy too? ;-) __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

August 1st, 2006, 10:53 AM	#2
Brian Andrews Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 69	I'm right there with you... Maybe the next DVC30? An AVCHD camera with three 1/4" CCDs at $2000 would be very interesting. Steal some thunder away from the new Canons. Think it will happen? Or will Panny and Sony keep AVCHD in the consumer world only?

August 1st, 2006, 12:51 PM	#4
Kevin Shaw Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,488	Panasonic has already indicated that they're working on a more professional AVC camera, but I doubt it will cost only $2000. If I was them I'd take the HVX200 and convert it to record AVCHD on standard CompactFlash memory cards with at least 3-4 slots in the camera, restrict the recording options if necessary to hold cost down, and drop the price to compete with the new Canon HDV cameras. I'd also go find a better sensor, since the one in the HVX200 is barely better than PAL resolution. Bump the AVC bit rate to 50 Mbps like they've already proposed and we'd have a camera which offers a useful alternative to both HDV and DVCProHD without requiring expensive P2 memory cards. Sooner or later someone will make a camera like this at a reasonable price, but I'm not holding my breath. If Panasonic doesn't do it soon I'd expect a long wait, with Sony trying to push Blu-ray recording and JVC and Canon taking their sweet time getting around to all this.

August 1st, 2006, 03:01 PM	#7
Lawrence Bansbach Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 295	Now you're just getting greedy. ;)

August 2nd, 2006, 06:38 AM	#9
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	I can imagine a $4000 high quality AVC camcorder if the quality of the video was at least as good as that of the HDV... which I hope it would be. I would actually hope it to be better. I'd be willing to buy that new $4000 Canon HDV camcorder if it were only progressive :( I'm using it for personal projects with a lot of special effects. The HVX is just too much money.