For sony, is there a real difference on MSPro media at DVinfo.net

Michael Goldberg · October 17th, 2008, 10:20 AM

I have the new mark 2 msproduo and the standard mspro duo, they look the film looks the same. I am aware of the WRITTEN difference, but is there really a difference, has any body seen anything differently.

Dave Blackhurst · October 17th, 2008, 08:49 PM

I believe the difference is in write speed - I've noticed the faster MS Duos seem to process stills faster. For video, it either meets the necessary speed or it doesn't...

Michael Goldberg · November 13th, 2008, 02:24 PM

i guess i do notice the write speed is slower with the mspro compared to ms pro mark 2

Rex Hermogino · December 3rd, 2008, 07:42 PM

I went to a Best Buy with my older 4GB Memory Stick PRO Duo Magic Gate (not a Mark 2) and inserted it into a Sony CX12 and started testing (I was shopping for a small HD cam at the time.). I took my chip home and started to play around with editing, converting, etc. I believe the CX12, writing at about ~16Mbps welcomed my old MSProDuo with open arms. Below is the MediaInfo on one of the .mts files it wrote. My CX12 arrives this Friday and a 4GB MSProDuo (non-Mark2 I think) is included. I believe the chips don't exactly have to be Mark 2 in order for them to work on Sony's AVCHD (at ~16Mbps) cameras. I could be wrong...

General
ID : 0
Complete name : K:\RexVideos\Sony CX12\MTS\00000.MTS
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : BluRay Video
File size : 33.2 MiB
Duration : 16s 753ms
Overall bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 18.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Duration : 16s 733ms
Bit rate : 15.5 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Duration : 16s 753ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Video delay : -67ms

Text
ID : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Video delay : -133ms

Dave Blackhurst · December 4th, 2008, 05:33 AM

CX12 ships with a 4G Mark2 MS Duo. BUT I've not had a problem recording with ANY genuine MS Duo from Sony or Sandisk... all seem to work fine. I really only noticed the time difference when shooting stills.

Rex Hermogino · December 4th, 2008, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Blackhurst

CX12 ships with a 4G Mark2 MS Duo. BUT I've not had a problem recording with ANY genuine MS Duo from Sony or Sandisk... all seem to work fine. I really only noticed the time difference when shooting stills.

Thanks Dave. I will receive my CX12 tomorrow. I'm very excited! So, I will be using the included 4GB Mark 2 as well as my older 4GB Duo chip with MagicGate.

October 17th, 2008, 10:20 AM	#1
Michael Goldberg New Boot Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Redlands, Ca Posts: 6	For sony, is there a real difference on MSPro media I have the new mark 2 msproduo and the standard mspro duo, they look the film looks the same. I am aware of the WRITTEN difference, but is there really a difference, has any body seen anything differently.

October 17th, 2008, 08:49 PM	#2
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	I believe the difference is in write speed - I've noticed the faster MS Duos seem to process stills faster. For video, it either meets the necessary speed or it doesn't...

November 13th, 2008, 02:24 PM	#3
Michael Goldberg New Boot Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Redlands, Ca Posts: 6	i guess i do notice the write speed is slower with the mspro compared to ms pro mark 2

December 3rd, 2008, 07:42 PM	#4
Rex Hermogino New Boot Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5	I went to a Best Buy with my older 4GB Memory Stick PRO Duo Magic Gate (not a Mark 2) and inserted it into a Sony CX12 and started testing (I was shopping for a small HD cam at the time.). I took my chip home and started to play around with editing, converting, etc. I believe the CX12, writing at about ~16Mbps welcomed my old MSProDuo with open arms. Below is the MediaInfo on one of the .mts files it wrote. My CX12 arrives this Friday and a 4GB MSProDuo (non-Mark2 I think) is included. I believe the chips don't exactly have to be Mark 2 in order for them to work on Sony's AVCHD (at ~16Mbps) cameras. I could be wrong... General ID : 0 Complete name : K:\RexVideos\Sony CX12\MTS\00000.MTS Format : BDAV Format/Info : BluRay Video File size : 33.2 MiB Duration : 16s 753ms Overall bit rate : 16.6 Mbps Maximum Overall bit rate : 18.0 Mbps Video ID : 4113 (0x1011) Menu ID : 1 (0x1) Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L4.0 Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames Duration : 16s 733ms Bit rate : 15.5 Mbps Width : 1 920 pixels Height : 1 080 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16/9 Frame rate : 29.970 fps Resolution : 24 bits Colorimetry : 4:2:0 Scan type : Interlaced Scan order : Top Field First Audio ID : 4352 (0x1100) Menu ID : 1 (0x1) Format : AC-3 Format/Info : Audio Coding 3 Duration : 16s 753ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 448 Kbps Channel(s) : 6 channels Channel positions : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, LFE Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Video delay : -67ms Text ID : 4608 (0x1200) Menu ID : 1 (0x1) Format : PGS Video delay : -133ms

December 4th, 2008, 05:33 AM	#5
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	CX12 ships with a 4G Mark2 MS Duo. BUT I've not had a problem recording with ANY genuine MS Duo from Sony or Sandisk... all seem to work fine. I really only noticed the time difference when shooting stills.