Computer requirements to edit AVCHD

Steve Mullen · June 28th, 2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kim Fong

During the crossover fading, it dropped to about 6pfs on average. I was only doing a 2sec crossfade between the 2 clips.

That seems to mean to get 6fps to 30fps -- one needs 6 times more computer power. Wow!

No wonder Canopus says AVCHD cannot be edited in realtime with today's computers.

With a Mac laptop I can do about 6 streams of HDV overlayed -- like your second test.

Ken Ross · June 28th, 2008, 08:12 PM

You can also get many overlayed HDV streams on Caonpus with a PC. HDV is simply less compressed and much easier for today's computers...no arguments there.

Jeff Baker · July 3rd, 2008, 12:31 PM

We went with the canon HV30 instead of the HF10 because of the codec issues and editing. But we are adding a hard drive recorder into the mix in order to make capturing faster. But we need fast turn around. You would think recoding to flash would mean fast turnaround... but not if you need to edit it. Not yet anyway.

Steve Mullen · July 8th, 2008, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by David Wayne Groves

... still waiting for Sony to release its updates for Vegas 8 so I can play with it some more....

What updates? I thought Vegas 8 already edited AVCHD.

Douglas Thigpen · July 8th, 2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Mullen

I think CineForm is the only way to edit AVCHD using Premiere.

Let us know your results.

PS: Sony claims to edit AVCHD just like you edit MPEG-2 takes 8X more compute power.

I use MainConcept's Mpeg Pro HD to edit AVCHD natively in Premiere. No conversion process is required, just import the files like any other and drop them in any timeline.

Noa Put · July 8th, 2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Thigpen

I use MainConcept's Mpeg Pro HD to edit AVCHD natively in Premiere. No conversion process is required, just import the files like any other and drop them in any timeline.

How's the workspeed, Douglas? Can you work in realtime and does premiere need to render to get a preview?
Also, do you work with a quadcore?

Steve Mullen · July 8th, 2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Thigpen

I use MainConcept's Mpeg Pro HD to edit AVCHD natively in Premiere. No conversion process is required, just import the files like any other and drop them in any timeline.

Do you have to buy MainConcept's Mpeg Pro HD?

Can you export AVCHD from Premiere timeline -- or Encore to red-laser?

What about on a Mac?

And, I too want to know performance as I would expect even with a Quad cuts-only would be maximum.

Jurij Turnsek · September 17th, 2008, 01:09 PM

Hello,

I'm deciding on buying a laptop that would handle AVCHD playback (24mbs from HF11 too) and editing...

right now, I don't own a AVCHD cam, but I am planning to buy HF11 or something similar in the future...

I am torn between two options:

a 14.1"
14.1" WXGA (1440*900) BrightView LCD
• Intel Core 2 Duo T7700 2.4 Ghz 4 MB
• 2 GB DDR2-RAM SO-DIMM
• 160 GB HDD SATA 5400rpm
• Double Layer DVD+/-RW LS
• ATI RADEON X2300 PCI-express

NOTESNIKI - Najugodnej?e cene notesnikov

and 17"
Procesor: Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 (2.4GHz) 1066MHz FSB
Vezje: Mobile Intel PM45 Express Chipset with ICHM
Pomnilnik 4096MB DDRII 800MHZ (ni proste reže)
Trdi disk 250GB SMART SATA 5400rpm
Optična enota: Blu-ray ROM DVD+/-RW SuperMulti DL Drive
Grafika: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3430 256MB
Vgrajena VGA kamera
Zaslon 17.0" TFT 1440x900 WXGA+ Bright View

Najbolj?e cene za HP prenosnik 6830S (KU425), Core 2 Duo 2.4, 4GB, 250GB, ATI HD3430, 17" - Ceneje.si

If I went for 14.1 I would buy a 24" LCD later and I'd have nice portability.

If I went for 17 I'd get more RAM and better grafics and a Blu-ray ROM... BD, however, is not a factor, because a ROM drive is as good as nothing, I'd need a BD-RE drive, which I plan to have externaly if even... But the portability is a lot smaller - I have a 17 HP Pavillion right now and I don't like to carry it around, although this one is 3kg, which is pretty good.

Now I'd like to know if the 14.1 has the ports neccessary to connect it to an external monitor and if it has the power i need. (i won't play computer games with either)

Ken Ross · September 17th, 2008, 05:42 PM

I've got a Sony Vaio, T8300 (2.4 gig) with 3 gigs of ram. It plays back AVCHD very smoothly. I found that if you go below a T8100, playback gets very choppy.

Len Charnoff · September 24th, 2008, 05:17 PM

In the next 2 weeks I plan on purchasing the Sony SR11.

My 5 year old Windows XP 1 gb computer is surely not powerful enough to edit AVCHD.

I purchased Pinnacle Studio 12 and downloaded the Corel VideoStudio 12 Pro.

I know just enough to be dangerous. I'm looking at several HP's Quads and one Gateway Quad.

Although money is always an issue I would pay for the extra horsepower if it was necessary to significantly increase the editing speed.

Question:

Is the Intel Quad more advantageous then the AMD?

Any recommendations on the graphics card. I don't intend to do any gaming.

Tnx.

Erik Phairas · September 25th, 2008, 08:12 AM

I bought a gateway DX4710-UB002A computer, completely off the shelf at frys.

Q6600
64bit vista
ATI radeon 3650
6 gig DDR2 dual channel

Anyway running Vegas 9 platinum pro and using a SR11 seems to work good enough. Seems if I let the machine think a while after changing something I can even watch the preview at full res at full frame rate. But most of the time it's a bit choppy. Set to auto the frame rate is just fine. I run dual monitors too. I edit in native AVCHD.

Set to auto the preview resolution drops but it's plenty clear enough to see how the video will turn out. I am waiting for the true Vegas 9 Pro to come out (whenever that is) so we get true 64bit operating system support. Can't wait to use all 6 gigs of ram and all 4 cores to full potential.

You can see an example of the native AVCHD playing at full res dual monitors in the vid.
YouTube - AVCHD Sony Vegas (64 bit Vista) Edit Bay

July 3rd, 2008, 12:31 PM	#48
Jeff Baker Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 184	We went with the canon HV30 instead of the HF10 because of the codec issues and editing. But we are adding a hard drive recorder into the mix in order to make capturing faster. But we need fast turn around. You would think recoding to flash would mean fast turnaround... but not if you need to edit it. Not yet anyway. __________________ Canon C100, 5D3

June 28th, 2008, 08:12 PM	#47
Ken Ross Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,945	You can also get many overlayed HDV streams on Caonpus with a PC. HDV is simply less compressed and much easier for today's computers...no arguments there.

September 17th, 2008, 01:09 PM	#53
Jurij Turnsek Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Slovenia Posts: 47	Hello, I'm deciding on buying a laptop that would handle AVCHD playback (24mbs from HF11 too) and editing... right now, I don't own a AVCHD cam, but I am planning to buy HF11 or something similar in the future... I am torn between two options: a 14.1" 14.1" WXGA (1440*900) BrightView LCD • Intel Core 2 Duo T7700 2.4 Ghz 4 MB • 2 GB DDR2-RAM SO-DIMM • 160 GB HDD SATA 5400rpm • Double Layer DVD+/-RW LS • ATI RADEON X2300 PCI-express NOTESNIKI - Najugodnej?e cene notesnikov and 17" Procesor: Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 (2.4GHz) 1066MHz FSB Vezje: Mobile Intel PM45 Express Chipset with ICHM Pomnilnik 4096MB DDRII 800MHZ (ni proste reže) Trdi disk 250GB SMART SATA 5400rpm Optična enota: Blu-ray ROM DVD+/-RW SuperMulti DL Drive Grafika: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3430 256MB Vgrajena VGA kamera Zaslon 17.0" TFT 1440x900 WXGA+ Bright View Najbolj?e cene za HP prenosnik 6830S (KU425), Core 2 Duo 2.4, 4GB, 250GB, ATI HD3430, 17" - Ceneje.si If I went for 14.1 I would buy a 24" LCD later and I'd have nice portability. If I went for 17 I'd get more RAM and better grafics and a Blu-ray ROM... BD, however, is not a factor, because a ROM drive is as good as nothing, I'd need a BD-RE drive, which I plan to have externaly if even... But the portability is a lot smaller - I have a 17 HP Pavillion right now and I don't like to carry it around, although this one is 3kg, which is pretty good. Now I'd like to know if the 14.1 has the ports neccessary to connect it to an external monitor and if it has the power i need. (i won't play computer games with either)

September 17th, 2008, 05:42 PM	#54
Ken Ross Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,945	I've got a Sony Vaio, T8300 (2.4 gig) with 3 gigs of ram. It plays back AVCHD very smoothly. I found that if you go below a T8100, playback gets very choppy.

September 24th, 2008, 05:17 PM	#55
Len Charnoff New Boot Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sherwood, Oregon Posts: 8	In the next 2 weeks I plan on purchasing the Sony SR11. My 5 year old Windows XP 1 gb computer is surely not powerful enough to edit AVCHD. I purchased Pinnacle Studio 12 and downloaded the Corel VideoStudio 12 Pro. I know just enough to be dangerous. I'm looking at several HP's Quads and one Gateway Quad. Although money is always an issue I would pay for the extra horsepower if it was necessary to significantly increase the editing speed. Question: Is the Intel Quad more advantageous then the AMD? Any recommendations on the graphics card. I don't intend to do any gaming. Tnx.

September 25th, 2008, 08:12 AM	#56
Erik Phairas Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 628	I bought a gateway DX4710-UB002A computer, completely off the shelf at frys. Q6600 64bit vista ATI radeon 3650 6 gig DDR2 dual channel Anyway running Vegas 9 platinum pro and using a SR11 seems to work good enough. Seems if I let the machine think a while after changing something I can even watch the preview at full res at full frame rate. But most of the time it's a bit choppy. Set to auto the frame rate is just fine. I run dual monitors too. I edit in native AVCHD. Set to auto the preview resolution drops but it's plenty clear enough to see how the video will turn out. I am waiting for the true Vegas 9 Pro to come out (whenever that is) so we get true 64bit operating system support. Can't wait to use all 6 gigs of ram and all 4 cores to full potential. You can see an example of the native AVCHD playing at full res dual monitors in the vid. YouTube - AVCHD Sony Vegas (64 bit Vista) Edit Bay