Blade Question at DVinfo.net

Mark Koha · March 26th, 2014, 02:15 PM

So much like Billy Steinberg, most of my work is done out of a mobile production truck. My question is is has anyone had success with editing stuff in an NLE and exporting it back to a Blade for playback? I know they record in either ProRes or Avid DNxHD but is it possible to export a sequence as such and play it back through the blade?

Mark Koha · April 13th, 2014, 12:10 PM

Anyone? This is a first for me. Someone here always has the answer I'm looking for.

Christopher Young · April 14th, 2014, 05:06 AM

In a word yes Mark. At least with DNxHD, I'm on Windoz 7.

I had a Blade caddy plugged into the Atomos PC dock and just rendered part of a time line as DNxHD to the drive in the caddy. Pulled the Blade caddy, plugged it back into the Blade, went play and it was a beautiful thing. First time I had no audio so second time around I defined the audio as 48,000Hz 16bit uncompressed and it all worked fine... useful!

Maybe one of the Apple boys can confirm with ProRes?

Chris Young
CYV Productions
Sydney

Mark Koha · April 16th, 2014, 08:14 AM

I'm a windows guy too so DNxHD works for me. So I guess the next question is is I'm using Premiere. What's the best way to make a DNxHD file from there?

Mark Morreau · April 16th, 2014, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Koha

I'm a windows guy too so DNxHD works for me. So I guess the next question is is I'm using Premiere. What's the best way to make a DNxHD file from there?

CTRL+M and choose DNxHD MXF OP1a from the Format drop down in the Export Settings dialogue? Try a couple of flavours which match the sequence settings closely and see which works best?
I don't have my Ninja Blade with me right now, but please do share your findings. Happy to research with you: I will need to be doing this too in a couple of weeks.

Christopher Young · April 16th, 2014, 10:41 AM

Can't advise on Premiere. To render DNxHD in Vegas you just have to install the freely available, from the Avid site, DNxHD codecs and install them on your Windows box. SD and HD DNxHD flavours are now available for selection in the 'render as' dialogue window.

Chris Young
CYV Productions
Sydney

Gary Huff · April 17th, 2014, 05:35 PM

You *must* export DNxHD via QuickTime in a .MOV container out of Premiere if you want it to playback in a Blade.

Mark Koha · April 18th, 2014, 10:02 AM

So in the export settings menu, I'm going to select Format: QuickTime and towards the bottom I select Video Codec: Avid DNxHD correct? What about the audio codec? My options are uncompressed, AAC, Apple Lossless, IMA 4:1, Qualcomm Purevoice, and iLBC.

Christopher Young · April 19th, 2014, 07:00 AM

Uncompressed worked for me... plus it's the best quality.

Chris Young
CYV Productions
Sydney

Mark Koha · April 24th, 2014, 01:43 PM

Alright, I pulled the trigger and ordered one. Now for the waiting game.

Mark Koha · June 3rd, 2014, 04:57 PM

So I finally got my Samurai Blade in. So far I have yet to be able to play back a file on it. I am exporting as DNxHD with uncompressed audio in a Quicktime format. Every time I go to play it back it actually locks the Blade up. The touch screen stops responding and I have to restart it. Any ideas?

Christopher Young · June 3rd, 2014, 11:37 PM

Just tried here. Exported 10-bit 1080 50i DNxHD at 220-mbit under the QuickTime render option with uncompressed audio from a Sony Vegas 13 timeline and it plays back fine on the Blade. What DNxHD settings are you using?

Chris Young
CYV Productions
Sydney

Mark Koha · June 13th, 2014, 12:23 PM

I've tried a couple different clips with 1080i at 59.whatever frames 10 bit and uncompressed audio. The clips are showing up in the playback menu of the blade but I am unable to get them to play. When I press on them just nothing happens.

Christopher Young · June 14th, 2014, 04:18 AM

What software are you creating your DNxHD files with? If they conform to the DNxHD specs correctly they should play. Unless of course there is a problem with with your unit. Just curious are you using HDD or SDD for theses tests?

Chris Young
CYV Productions
Sydney

Mark Koha · June 14th, 2014, 01:37 PM

I'm using one of the Sandisk SSD's that they recommended on their website and I am using Premiere Pro CS6 to do this with. I'm on the road right now but I was going to try and see if I could make it work with Avid when I get back home. It seems incredibly weird to me that the clips show up in the menu but they can't be played. And I also have the latest firmware installed.

March 26th, 2014, 02:15 PM	#1
Mark Koha Major Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 243	Blade Question So much like Billy Steinberg, most of my work is done out of a mobile production truck. My question is is has anyone had success with editing stuff in an NLE and exporting it back to a Blade for playback? I know they record in either ProRes or Avid DNxHD but is it possible to export a sequence as such and play it back through the blade?

April 13th, 2014, 12:10 PM	#2
Mark Koha Major Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 243	Re: Blade Question Anyone? This is a first for me. Someone here always has the answer I'm looking for.

April 14th, 2014, 05:06 AM	#3
Christopher Young Trustee Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,567	Re: Blade Question In a word yes Mark. At least with DNxHD, I'm on Windoz 7. I had a Blade caddy plugged into the Atomos PC dock and just rendered part of a time line as DNxHD to the drive in the caddy. Pulled the Blade caddy, plugged it back into the Blade, went play and it was a beautiful thing. First time I had no audio so second time around I defined the audio as 48,000Hz 16bit uncompressed and it all worked fine... useful! Maybe one of the Apple boys can confirm with ProRes? Chris Young CYV Productions Sydney

April 16th, 2014, 08:14 AM	#4
Mark Koha Major Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 243	Re: Blade Question I'm a windows guy too so DNxHD works for me. So I guess the next question is is I'm using Premiere. What's the best way to make a DNxHD file from there?

April 16th, 2014, 10:41 AM	#6
Christopher Young Trustee Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,567	Re: Blade Question Can't advise on Premiere. To render DNxHD in Vegas you just have to install the freely available, from the Avid site, DNxHD codecs and install them on your Windows box. SD and HD DNxHD flavours are now available for selection in the 'render as' dialogue window. Chris Young CYV Productions Sydney

April 17th, 2014, 05:35 PM	#7
Gary Huff Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,006	Re: Blade Question You must export DNxHD via QuickTime in a .MOV container out of Premiere if you want it to playback in a Blade.

April 18th, 2014, 10:02 AM	#8
Mark Koha Major Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 243	Re: Blade Question So in the export settings menu, I'm going to select Format: QuickTime and towards the bottom I select Video Codec: Avid DNxHD correct? What about the audio codec? My options are uncompressed, AAC, Apple Lossless, IMA 4:1, Qualcomm Purevoice, and iLBC.

April 19th, 2014, 07:00 AM	#9
Christopher Young Trustee Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,567	Re: Blade Question Uncompressed worked for me... plus it's the best quality. Chris Young CYV Productions Sydney

April 24th, 2014, 01:43 PM	#10
Mark Koha Major Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 243	Re: Blade Question Alright, I pulled the trigger and ordered one. Now for the waiting game.

June 3rd, 2014, 04:57 PM	#11
Mark Koha Major Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 243	Re: Blade Question So I finally got my Samurai Blade in. So far I have yet to be able to play back a file on it. I am exporting as DNxHD with uncompressed audio in a Quicktime format. Every time I go to play it back it actually locks the Blade up. The touch screen stops responding and I have to restart it. Any ideas?

June 3rd, 2014, 11:37 PM	#12
Christopher Young Trustee Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,567	Re: Blade Question Just tried here. Exported 10-bit 1080 50i DNxHD at 220-mbit under the QuickTime render option with uncompressed audio from a Sony Vegas 13 timeline and it plays back fine on the Blade. What DNxHD settings are you using? Chris Young CYV Productions Sydney

June 13th, 2014, 12:23 PM	#13
Mark Koha Major Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 243	Re: Blade Question I've tried a couple different clips with 1080i at 59.whatever frames 10 bit and uncompressed audio. The clips are showing up in the playback menu of the blade but I am unable to get them to play. When I press on them just nothing happens.

June 14th, 2014, 04:18 AM	#14
Christopher Young Trustee Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,567	Re: Blade Question What software are you creating your DNxHD files with? If they conform to the DNxHD specs correctly they should play. Unless of course there is a problem with with your unit. Just curious are you using HDD or SDD for theses tests? Chris Young CYV Productions Sydney Last edited by Christopher Young; June 14th, 2014 at 04:19 AM. Reason: Typo!

June 14th, 2014, 01:37 PM	#15
Mark Koha Major Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 243	Re: Blade Question I'm using one of the Sandisk SSD's that they recommended on their website and I am using Premiere Pro CS6 to do this with. I'm on the road right now but I was going to try and see if I could make it work with Avid when I get back home. It seems incredibly weird to me that the clips show up in the menu but they can't be played. And I also have the latest firmware installed.