Does the Ninja-2 work with GH2/GH3/D600/800? at DVinfo.net

Graeme Hay · February 27th, 2013, 11:29 PM

Just wondering what people's luck with the Ninja-2 with those Cameras
Lumix GH2
Lumix GH3
Nikon D600
Nikon D800

As I remember hearing there were issues with Nikons and the GH2 and the original Ninja.

Graeme Hay · February 27th, 2013, 11:30 PM

Also how nice is DNxHD from the Ninja-2? I'm using CS6 on a PC so I'll prefer to use that over Apple Prores.

Duncan Say · February 28th, 2013, 02:53 AM

That's a really big question. You could start by reading this page at Atomos:

H1 - Does Ninja range work with DSLR cameras? - ATOMOS

Graeme Hay · March 5th, 2013, 07:10 AM

After additional reading the answer is no for The Panasonics and not well for the Nikons (well it works but there are glitches). Looks like Atomos needs to talk with camera makers or get the cameras in their hands before releasing a product that does what it says it will do with the cameras that say they can output HDMI.

Duncan Say · March 5th, 2013, 08:57 AM

To be fair to Atomos, or indeed any independent HDMI recording device the problems are generally caused by the camera manufacturers instigating unwanted features on the HDMI stream. As I understand it Atomos are in regular contact with camera manufacturers trying to get them to improve their offering, but getting this right isn't a priority for them. After all, as far as the camera manufacturers are concerned you can record on the internal card.

Graeme Hay · March 5th, 2013, 11:10 AM

I agree, but at the end of the day Atomos release marketing video and literature stating (quite matter of frankly) that there Ninja-2 worked with those cameras.

Jeff Pulera · March 5th, 2013, 11:10 AM

Hi Graeme,

Ditto on Duncan's comments. If a camera doesn't put out a clean, full-resolution HDMI signal, what is Atomos to do about it? It can only record what it gets over the HDMI cable, and if that signal is non-standard or has info overlays embedded in the picture, that is the fault of the camera vendor.

I think it is safe to say that ALL "camcorders" with HDMI out work with Ninja. As a rule, camcorders (Sony, Panasonic, Canon, etc.) all put out a clean signal - never heard of one that did not. It is the DSLRs that are highly problematic, as they were designed as STILL CAMERAS and proper HDMI video output was not judged that important by the engineers apparently.

The GH2 and D800 are supposed to work, if menus are set up correctly for proper output -

H3 - Panasonic GH2 - ATOMOS

H4 - Setting up a Nikon D800 to work with the Ninja-1 and Ninja-2 - ATOMOS

Regarding the question about ProRes - it works perfectly well for editing on a PC. Just note that a PC cannot export back to ProRes (without jumping through some hoops). But editing is no issue at all.

Thanks

Dave Burckhard · April 11th, 2013, 08:16 PM

I've been working with the Ninja 2 on both the D600 and D800. Both work fine. Not only that, Nikon just released a firmware upgrade that shows 100% of the image shot on the D600. Previously, the image was 96% small and you had to increased the size in post.

Dave Burckhard
PicturePoint On-line

February 27th, 2013, 11:29 PM	#1
Graeme Hay Major Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 202	Does the Ninja-2 work with GH2/GH3/D600/800? Just wondering what people's luck with the Ninja-2 with those Cameras Lumix GH2 Lumix GH3 Nikon D600 Nikon D800 As I remember hearing there were issues with Nikons and the GH2 and the original Ninja. __________________ Independent Filmmaker in Canada's Capital

February 27th, 2013, 11:30 PM	#2
Graeme Hay Major Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 202	Re: Does the Ninja-2 work with GH2/GH3/D600/800? Also how nice is DNxHD from the Ninja-2? I'm using CS6 on a PC so I'll prefer to use that over Apple Prores. __________________ Independent Filmmaker in Canada's Capital

February 28th, 2013, 02:53 AM	#3
Duncan Say Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Colchester, UK Posts: 36	Re: Does the Ninja-2 work with GH2/GH3/D600/800? That's a really big question. You could start by reading this page at Atomos: H1 - Does Ninja range work with DSLR cameras? - ATOMOS __________________ http://nexfs100.blogspot.co.uk/ www.camdec.net

March 5th, 2013, 07:10 AM	#4
Graeme Hay Major Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 202	Re: Does the Ninja-2 work with GH2/GH3/D600/800? After additional reading the answer is no for The Panasonics and not well for the Nikons (well it works but there are glitches). Looks like Atomos needs to talk with camera makers or get the cameras in their hands before releasing a product that does what it says it will do with the cameras that say they can output HDMI. __________________ Independent Filmmaker in Canada's Capital

March 5th, 2013, 08:57 AM	#5
Duncan Say Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Colchester, UK Posts: 36	Re: Does the Ninja-2 work with GH2/GH3/D600/800? To be fair to Atomos, or indeed any independent HDMI recording device the problems are generally caused by the camera manufacturers instigating unwanted features on the HDMI stream. As I understand it Atomos are in regular contact with camera manufacturers trying to get them to improve their offering, but getting this right isn't a priority for them. After all, as far as the camera manufacturers are concerned you can record on the internal card. __________________ http://nexfs100.blogspot.co.uk/ www.camdec.net

March 5th, 2013, 11:10 AM	#6
Graeme Hay Major Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 202	Re: Does the Ninja-2 work with GH2/GH3/D600/800? I agree, but at the end of the day Atomos release marketing video and literature stating (quite matter of frankly) that there Ninja-2 worked with those cameras. __________________ Independent Filmmaker in Canada's Capital

March 5th, 2013, 11:10 AM	#7
Jeff Pulera Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Milwaukee WI Posts: 691	Re: Does the Ninja-2 work with GH2/GH3/D600/800? Hi Graeme, Ditto on Duncan's comments. If a camera doesn't put out a clean, full-resolution HDMI signal, what is Atomos to do about it? It can only record what it gets over the HDMI cable, and if that signal is non-standard or has info overlays embedded in the picture, that is the fault of the camera vendor. I think it is safe to say that ALL "camcorders" with HDMI out work with Ninja. As a rule, camcorders (Sony, Panasonic, Canon, etc.) all put out a clean signal - never heard of one that did not. It is the DSLRs that are highly problematic, as they were designed as STILL CAMERAS and proper HDMI video output was not judged that important by the engineers apparently. The GH2 and D800 are supposed to work, if menus are set up correctly for proper output - H3 - Panasonic GH2 - ATOMOS H4 - Setting up a Nikon D800 to work with the Ninja-1 and Ninja-2 - ATOMOS Regarding the question about ProRes - it works perfectly well for editing on a PC. Just note that a PC cannot export back to ProRes (without jumping through some hoops). But editing is no issue at all. Thanks __________________ Jeff Pulera Safe Harbor Computers

April 11th, 2013, 08:16 PM	#8
Dave Burckhard Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 73	Re: Does the Ninja-2 work with GH2/GH3/D600/800? I've been working with the Ninja 2 on both the D600 and D800. Both work fine. Not only that, Nikon just released a firmware upgrade that shows 100% of the image shot on the D600. Previously, the image was 96% small and you had to increased the size in post. Dave Burckhard PicturePoint On-line