Samurai with old Canon XL-H1 question at DVinfo.net

Travis Andersen · July 12th, 2012, 07:51 AM

I have the original Canon XL-H1. I want to continue using this camera with the Atomos Samurai.

My question is about audio and time code. The Canon XL-H1 does not have embedded time code or audio in the HD-SDI stream. How do I get the 2 channels of audio into the Samurai unit? If I use the headphone IN port, will it separate the audio to 2 channels or will it be mixed stereo? I happen to do a lot of interviews and need separate audio tracks. Can you please let me know how this would work?

Im not too concerned about the time code but how do you suppose that would work or do I use the Samurai's built in time code?

Thanks for you help with these questions.

Mike Sims · July 12th, 2012, 12:00 PM

I would go out the camera’s RCA audio to the Samurai’s Stereo Line In with something like this and RCA shorty cables. It will record two channels of stereo. I use the Samurai’s Time of Day time code when recording with my XL H1a.

Travis Andersen · July 12th, 2012, 12:09 PM

Thanks Mike. So just to be clear you can not do a channel 1 and channel 2 separated audio with this set up? It would be mixed stereo only? Is this correct

Thanks

Mike Sims · July 12th, 2012, 12:54 PM

No, sorry I wasn’t clear. There will be two separate channels not mixed. You will have to get into the Samurai’s audio set up menu and tell it to record those channels because that isn’t the default setting.

Mike Sims · July 12th, 2012, 01:09 PM

On re-reading I think I did not answer the question you were asking. I believe you want to use the Canon’s CH1 and CH2 to record two stereo pairs (four channels on the Samurai). You won’t be able to do that as I described because I believe the Canon mixes CH1 and CH2 at the RCA out. Sorry to have misled you.

Travis Andersen · July 12th, 2012, 01:38 PM

Hey Mike. No you did not mislead me. You did answer it correctly. Just want to do 2 channels of separate audio. This is great so I think I can go get one now. Thank you for your information,

Travis

Travis Andersen · September 16th, 2012, 04:43 PM

Mike quick question. I have the Samuri and love it! Great tool I also have an XHA1 which has similar connections to the XLH1a. So how do you have yours set up to work? I would love to see or hear how you do this as I want to also use it with my XHA1. Thanks.

Mike Sims · September 17th, 2012, 04:18 PM

I use a D4 to Component Video Adapter cable (part number L5160 at <iec-usa.com>) with RCA to BNC adapters to go from the camera’s Component OUT to a BlackmagicDesign Analogue to SDI mini converter and then BNC to miniBNC cable from the converter’s SDI OUT to Samurai SDI IN. For audio, RCA shorty cables with RCA to ¼” phono adapters from camera’s Audio OUT to converter’s Audio IN. It should work for the XHA1. I have been told the man that designed the Ninja and Samurai for Atomos also designed this converter while working at BlackmagicDesign.

Travis Andersen · September 17th, 2012, 04:23 PM

Thanks for the info Mike. I was just looking at the Black Magic analog to SDI converter. They are pretty cheap and I already have all the other cables. Looks like I grab that up too. Thanks again.

July 12th, 2012, 07:51 AM	#1
Travis Andersen Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tuckahoe, NY Posts: 87	Samurai with old Canon XL-H1 question I have the original Canon XL-H1. I want to continue using this camera with the Atomos Samurai. My question is about audio and time code. The Canon XL-H1 does not have embedded time code or audio in the HD-SDI stream. How do I get the 2 channels of audio into the Samurai unit? If I use the headphone IN port, will it separate the audio to 2 channels or will it be mixed stereo? I happen to do a lot of interviews and need separate audio tracks. Can you please let me know how this would work? Im not too concerned about the time code but how do you suppose that would work or do I use the Samurai's built in time code? Thanks for you help with these questions.

July 12th, 2012, 12:00 PM	#2
Mike Sims Major Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 880	Re: Samurai with old Canon XL-H1 question I would go out the camera’s RCA audio to the Samurai’s Stereo Line In with something like this and RCA shorty cables. It will record two channels of stereo. I use the Samurai’s Time of Day time code when recording with my XL H1a.

July 12th, 2012, 12:09 PM	#3
Travis Andersen Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tuckahoe, NY Posts: 87	Re: Samurai with old Canon XL-H1 question Thanks Mike. So just to be clear you can not do a channel 1 and channel 2 separated audio with this set up? It would be mixed stereo only? Is this correct Thanks

July 12th, 2012, 12:54 PM	#4
Mike Sims Major Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 880	Re: Samurai with old Canon XL-H1 question No, sorry I wasn’t clear. There will be two separate channels not mixed. You will have to get into the Samurai’s audio set up menu and tell it to record those channels because that isn’t the default setting.

July 12th, 2012, 01:09 PM	#5
Mike Sims Major Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 880	Re: Samurai with old Canon XL-H1 question On re-reading I think I did not answer the question you were asking. I believe you want to use the Canon’s CH1 and CH2 to record two stereo pairs (four channels on the Samurai). You won’t be able to do that as I described because I believe the Canon mixes CH1 and CH2 at the RCA out. Sorry to have misled you.

July 12th, 2012, 01:38 PM	#6
Travis Andersen Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tuckahoe, NY Posts: 87	Re: Samurai with old Canon XL-H1 question Hey Mike. No you did not mislead me. You did answer it correctly. Just want to do 2 channels of separate audio. This is great so I think I can go get one now. Thank you for your information, Travis Last edited by Travis Andersen; July 12th, 2012 at 02:30 PM.

September 16th, 2012, 04:43 PM	#7
Travis Andersen Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tuckahoe, NY Posts: 87	Re: Samurai with old Canon XL-H1 question Mike quick question. I have the Samuri and love it! Great tool I also have an XHA1 which has similar connections to the XLH1a. So how do you have yours set up to work? I would love to see or hear how you do this as I want to also use it with my XHA1. Thanks.

September 17th, 2012, 04:18 PM	#8
Mike Sims Major Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 880	Re: Samurai with old Canon XL-H1 question I use a D4 to Component Video Adapter cable (part number L5160 at <iec-usa.com>) with RCA to BNC adapters to go from the camera’s Component OUT to a BlackmagicDesign Analogue to SDI mini converter and then BNC to miniBNC cable from the converter’s SDI OUT to Samurai SDI IN. For audio, RCA shorty cables with RCA to ¼” phono adapters from camera’s Audio OUT to converter’s Audio IN. It should work for the XHA1. I have been told the man that designed the Ninja and Samurai for Atomos also designed this converter while working at BlackmagicDesign.

September 17th, 2012, 04:23 PM	#9
Travis Andersen Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tuckahoe, NY Posts: 87	Re: Samurai with old Canon XL-H1 question Thanks for the info Mike. I was just looking at the Black Magic analog to SDI converter. They are pretty cheap and I already have all the other cables. Looks like I grab that up too. Thanks again.