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I agree with everything Andrew just said. The nanoFlash really is a great recorder.
Something I have seen quite often lately is so many people thinking 10bit is the holy grail for acquisition. Haven't most of us been getting by just fine with 8bit acquisition for many years? Also, how many here really push their images during grading so much that: 1) 8bit breaks 2) current NLEs with 32 bpc floating point cannot handle it I have pushed 35Mb XDCAM EX in Premiere Pro and exported with 32bpc processing with amazing results. In addition, I normally grade in 8bit in Premiere and After Effects which handles most just fine. For heavier grading, I either remove noise and export to Cineform and import into AE or just use a 32bpc comp in AE. Hey Nate, can you answer this please: with 10bit material, should you use a 10bit monitor or is an 8bit monitor good enough? Thanks. |
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Whatever camera I use going forward, it's going to have that same flexibility. I've had it, I love it, not going back. If you've been shooting EX1 or 3, and haven't done a fair amount of work on the Red, then you just simply (not a judgement) don't know what you're missing. As to the monitoring question, I think only colorists need 10 bit monitors. Deeper bit depth to me a capture/post manipulation thing, not a end user or even editor thing. It's not like a 10 bit monitor is going to rock your world...it's just going to get rid of posterization (banding) in subtle gradients.
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Andrew,
Thanks for the detail analysis. I've been a fan of the Nano for all the reasons you stated. The math improvements in 10 bits is certainly compelling and I'll shoot some over and underexposure tests with the standard Ki Pro (hopefully not running into the problem Philipp Eierund did with his 8 bit vs.10bit posting) and see what real world grading with a FilmMaster tells me regarding breakdown points and color shifts on 8 vs.10, hopefully worth posting. |
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Just to be clear I am not stating people should be going 8-bit. I am stating that the decision to go with a 10 bit or better recorder should be based on need. Complicating matters is the state of the recorder market is very much in transition. The prudent thing to do would be to rent. A camera operator could end up saving themselves thousands of dollars by waiting a few months in order to make an informed decision based on field use and get a recorder that makes sense for their client base and workflow requirements. People who work largely on ENG/EFP/corporate jobs have an entirely different workflow than people working on drama or commercial work.
I don't question Nate's statement as I know he is right. Just issuing caution so people don't have buyer's remorse 8 weeks down the road. |
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Look at your last statement about 'colorists need 10bit monitors" - grading/CC is exactly why people say they 'need' or 'want' 10bit acquisition. For editing, 8bit vs 10bit doesn't make much of a difference because all major NLEs can process at 32bpc. |
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excellent video that addresses the fan issue with the Sound Devices PIX 240 recorder and if Sound Devices is ready to transition into video. YouTube - ‪Sound Devices at NAB 2011 : PIX 240‬‏
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The other properties of Red raw (compression) work against that flexibility. The post-debayering aspect is probably a wash...helps sometimes, hinders other times. To get the best 'flexibility' out of R3Ds, you have to do a full debayer (as opposed to half or quarter), and that's either expensive time-wise or $$-wise, take your pick.
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Virtually every "traditional" video camera we've tried, does. Dave Shapton Atomos |
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