Bogus HV50 (was: Interesting!)

John Jay · February 15th, 2007, 12:57 PM

The man from Baker St. tells me it is a workover from this

http://www3.canon.de/pro/vid/dig/hv_20/foto_hv_20/$f/HV20_FSL.JPG

that cinescan is a curious thing though...

Pieter Jongerius · February 15th, 2007, 03:36 PM

Also note how its photographed at the exact same angle and perspective as this shot:

http://www3.canon.de/pro/vid/dig/hv_20/foto_hv_20/$f/HV20_FSL.JPG

Even the chrome reflections are identical, hm... plus, Canon would never put a button on a machine with no text next to it (the light/print button behind the disp. one).

...or they are both rendered by the marketing-depts eyecandy guy, and that artist made the mistake of forgetting to update some stuff in this rendering. I doubt it, though.

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Edit: Ah sorry John, you got that URL already.

Lee Wilson · February 15th, 2007, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pieter Jongerius

Also note how its photographed at the exact same angle and perspective as this shot:

http://www3.canon.de/pro/vid/dig/hv_20/foto_hv_20/$f/HV20_FSL.JPG

Here you go I scaled the two to the same size, it looks like the new image is a little fatter, a little more squat, or maybe just the picture was taken from a slightly different angle ?

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5408/hv50n2ko3.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pieter Jongerius

plus, Canon would never put a button on a machine with no text next to it (the light/print button behind the disp. one).

Yep! that is a strange one ? Maybe the legend/text is behind the LCD door and only becomes applicable when the door is open ??

..also I noticed that the panel on the top that covers where the accessories mount has a different shaped door that goes all the way the sides, maybe the text for that 'blank' button is under there ?

Mike Teutsch · February 15th, 2007, 05:04 PM

I'm no longer worried about a new model. You can tell from the many different highlights that it is the same picture, but has been modified. Nice job, but for what purpose? Maybe to get people to wait and not get the new HV20! Sorry, won't work for me, I'm in as soon as it is available.

Mike

Chris Hurd · February 15th, 2007, 09:34 PM

Earlier today I forwarded this pic to my friends at Canon USA... after they picked themselves up off the floor from laughing so hard, here's what they had to say:

Of course it's an obvious fake, but for future reference, here are some easy ways of checking:

- zoom ratio mistake (6.1mm to 61mm equals 10x, not 18x)
- some buttons have no labels
- the addition of "S" in the "Instant AF" and "Focus" labels
- strange positioning of "3x" to describe "3 CMOS"
- strange positioning and style of RGB color logo
- big EVF at the back doesn't fit properly (one edge is sticking out oddly)
- Japanese writing is not correct - weird non-native grammar

But its a pretty good job of retouching!

Now of course since this is Area 51, there's going to be a group of Conspiracy Theorists who want to believe that this is for real. They'll say: "Don't buy the HV20! Wait for the HV50." I have some advice for these people -- don't buy the HV50. Wait for the HV80! It's gonna knock yer socks off!

Mathieu Kassovitz · February 15th, 2007, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

The HV20 does *not* record 1080p. It records 1080i. You could say that the 24fps mode on the HV20 is 1080p24 at the chip, but you've got to realize that it has pulldown and goes to tape as 1080i60. It has to, otherwise it wouldn't be HDV.

The same to the 25p? Or since there isn't pulldown, can we call it true 1080p?

Jack Zhang · February 15th, 2007, 11:40 PM

Now that is a good photoshop...

George Chapanian · February 16th, 2007, 12:36 AM

look at the pic lee wilson posted

the hv20 has a strap and has a reflection on the camera if you look carefully,the hv50 doesnt have a strap and still has that reflection.but i like the black better then the grey.

Yi Fong Yu · February 16th, 2007, 07:22 AM

lol

this type of stuff has been going on for ages eh? if HV50 was real it'd cannabalize sales of both HV10&20. unpossible!

Bill Busby · February 16th, 2007, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

...They'll say: "Don't buy the HV20! Wait for the HV50."

This thread cracks me up! Who would have the time, or the interest for that matter, to spend on this?

Bill

Wes Vasher · February 16th, 2007, 07:42 AM

The black helicopters are circling this forum.

Chris Hurd · February 16th, 2007, 08:59 AM

This forum has been a black helicopter homing beacon for a very long time.

Paulo Teixeira · February 16th, 2007, 01:44 PM

It’s made some headlines all right.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/digital-c...ake-237273.php

This rumor is worse than the ones I made a long time ago saying that Sony and Panasonic was going to release Z1u and DVX100 type camcorders with Blu-Ray drives by the end of 2006.

Anybody wants to make a Photoshop of my rumors? To add some confusion, it would be funny if the camcorder has the words Sony and HD-DVD on it. Now something like this would really make headlines.

Chris Hurd · February 16th, 2007, 02:51 PM

Rec'd via email today from Mitchell Glick, Assistant Manager Product Marketing, Video Division, Canon USA:

"There is absolutely no truth to the rumors circulating on a possible Canon HV50 model. The specifications and features on this model are completely unfounded and have not been provided by Canon USA."

Case closed,

February 15th, 2007, 12:57 PM	#16
John Jay Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: US & THEM Posts: 827	The man from Baker St. tells me it is a workover from this http://www3.canon.de/pro/vid/dig/hv_20/foto_hv_20/$f/HV20_FSL.JPG that cinescan is a curious thing though... __________________ John Jay Beware *PLUGGER-BYTES*

February 15th, 2007, 05:04 PM	#19
Mike Teutsch Inner Circle Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Port St. Lucie, Florida Posts: 2,614	I'm no longer worried about a new model. You can tell from the many different highlights that it is the same picture, but has been modified. Nice job, but for what purpose? Maybe to get people to wait and not get the new HV20! Sorry, won't work for me, I'm in as soon as it is available. Mike __________________ Chapter one, line one. The BH.

February 15th, 2007, 09:34 PM	#20
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Earlier today I forwarded this pic to my friends at Canon USA... after they picked themselves up off the floor from laughing so hard, here's what they had to say: Of course it's an obvious fake, but for future reference, here are some easy ways of checking: - zoom ratio mistake (6.1mm to 61mm equals 10x, not 18x) - some buttons have no labels - the addition of "S" in the "Instant AF" and "Focus" labels - strange positioning of "3x" to describe "3 CMOS" - strange positioning and style of RGB color logo - big EVF at the back doesn't fit properly (one edge is sticking out oddly) - Japanese writing is not correct - weird non-native grammar But its a pretty good job of retouching! Now of course since this is Area 51, there's going to be a group of Conspiracy Theorists who want to believe that this is for real. They'll say: "Don't buy the HV20! Wait for the HV50." I have some advice for these people -- don't buy the HV50. Wait for the HV80! It's gonna knock yer socks off! __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 16th, 2007, 07:22 AM	#24
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	lol this type of stuff has been going on for ages eh? if HV50 was real it'd cannabalize sales of both HV10&20. unpossible! __________________ bow wow wow

February 16th, 2007, 08:59 AM	#27
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	This forum has been a black helicopter homing beacon for a very long time. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 15th, 2007, 03:36 PM	#17
Pieter Jongerius Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 101	Also note how its photographed at the exact same angle and perspective as this shot: http://www3.canon.de/pro/vid/dig/hv_20/foto_hv_20/$f/HV20_FSL.JPG Even the chrome reflections are identical, hm... plus, Canon would never put a button on a machine with no text next to it (the light/print button behind the disp. one). ...or they are both rendered by the marketing-depts eyecandy guy, and that artist made the mistake of forgetting to update some stuff in this rendering. I doubt it, though. ----- Edit: Ah sorry John, you got that URL already.

February 15th, 2007, 11:40 PM	#22
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Now that is a good photoshop...

February 16th, 2007, 12:36 AM	#23
George Chapanian New Boot Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Van Nuys,California Posts: 18	look at the pic lee wilson posted the hv20 has a strap and has a reflection on the camera if you look carefully,the hv50 doesnt have a strap and still has that reflection.but i like the black better then the grey.

February 16th, 2007, 07:42 AM	#26
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	The black helicopters are circling this forum.

February 16th, 2007, 01:44 PM	#28
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	It’s made some headlines all right. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/digital-c...ake-237273.php This rumor is worse than the ones I made a long time ago saying that Sony and Panasonic was going to release Z1u and DVX100 type camcorders with Blu-Ray drives by the end of 2006. Anybody wants to make a Photoshop of my rumors? To add some confusion, it would be funny if the camcorder has the words Sony and HD-DVD on it. Now something like this would really make headlines. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

February 16th, 2007, 02:51 PM	#29
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Rec'd via email today from Mitchell Glick, Assistant Manager Product Marketing, Video Division, Canon USA: "There is absolutely no truth to the rumors circulating on a possible Canon HV50 model. The specifications and features on this model are completely unfounded and have not been provided by Canon USA." Case closed, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!