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Rupert Smith · October 2nd, 2006, 08:18 AM

Anyone heard anything about an XL3?..I was just about to order an XL2 when my dealer told me an XL3 was going to be launched...phoned up Canon UK customer services and was told yes, an XL3 is coming out in November!! thats all the info I was given........!

Pete Bauer · October 2nd, 2006, 08:28 AM

Canon announced last year that the XL2 would be their last SD camera. The XH cameras are coming out this month and next month. Canon waits to announce cameras until fairly close to release, but if I'd say the odds are much better that the dealer is referring to the XH cameras than the odds are that they've decided to suddenly release another SD camera a year after saying they would no longer do so, and 3 HD cameras later.

Rupert Smith · October 2nd, 2006, 08:32 AM

The CANON customer services guy actually said that 3 cameras were going to be released, the G1, A1 and XL3 all in November.

Mathieu Ghekiere · October 2nd, 2006, 08:43 AM

He probably was just wrong.
As Peter said, Canon said the XL2 would be their LAST SD camcorder.
Maybe the dealer meant an upgraded version of the XL H1, but there has been no press release about that, so I doubt it a bit.

Greg Boston · October 2nd, 2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mathieu Ghekiere

Maybe the dealer meant an upgraded version of the XL H1, but there has been no press release about that, so I doubt it a bit.

That would be more plausible. However, this is all speculative and therefore must go to Area 51.

-gb-

Ash Greyson · October 2nd, 2006, 11:58 AM

I think they will HAVE to upgrade the XLH line or drop the price. The newer cams at several K less will suffice most people not to mention that there are several IMPROVEMENTS over the XLH. I would suspect an XLH1s would include audio embedded HD-SDI, finer image control and a body only kit. The XLH2 would most likely include HDMI as well as HD-SDI and use progressive chips.

ash =o)

David Clark · October 2nd, 2006, 02:32 PM

I think, for Canon (and the rest) to abandon SD is crazy. There is still a huge need for it, both industrial and prosumer. At this time when there are so many compatibility issues, Sony-HDV won't play JVC-HDV won't play Canon-HDV won't play Sony-HDV...... I'm not ready to switch over to a proprietary product. And Canon really needs to manufacture (or market) a deck. I don't have any idea where Panasonic sits in that crowd. And ya, I know they all record in SD, but why pay for what you don't need. Hopefully my XL2 (which I love) will last long enough to stand the winds of change.

I would like to see an XL3 (or an XL2s) come out, if it some fixes in it, like more presets, a better EVF, etc, etc....the list could go on and on.

Cal Johnson · October 2nd, 2006, 03:33 PM

Rupert, you mentioned you were just about to buy the XL2. I think for the money its a great deal. Unless you have a real hard fast reason to go to HDV or HD, I'd go ahead with the XL2. You'll learn a lot about "electronic cinematography" utilizing the presets, and SD is still plenty in demand.

Frank Granovski · October 2nd, 2006, 07:30 PM

It's coming...there's always something new coming...you just have to wait and pray for the best.

Philip Williams · October 2nd, 2006, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by David Clark

<snip>And ya, I know they all record in SD, but why pay for what you don't need.<snip>

Actually, even as an SD model the XH A1 is a pretty competitive product. It basically just MSRPs for a few bucks more than the DVX100B yet offers native 16:9 and a longer zoom.

Also, it MSRPs for about a grand less than the XL2's original release price.

In this case we're not really paying extra, we're getting more for the same or even lower price than we did a few years ago. Ain't technology grand?

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Matthew Overstreet · October 3rd, 2006, 04:20 PM

In regards to an XL3 being a possible successor or step up from the xl-h1 . . . didn't we recently hear that Canon just announced that they acquired a license to produce 24p? Maybe it's an HDV camera that uses true progressive scan technology rather than 24f? And . . . if they are in fact going with the name XL3, maybe that is to differentiate it from the XL x1 series that have all used 24f rather than true progressive scanning? I don't know, just speculation.

Philip Williams · October 3rd, 2006, 05:01 PM

The 24P license is for an upcoming semi-pro version of the Optura with HDV. It'll have the same CMOS as the HV10 but with the ability to reclock to 48hz for true 24P at 700+ lines of resolution (it'll be laid to tape just like 24F in true progressive frames). To cut costs and reduce size/expense, it'll feature a single XLR input in addition to an 1/8" input. Full manual controls of course, focus and zoom rings and it'll be all black to match the new cams. Price about $1700.

OK, I can't back that up. But if anyone at Canon is listening, I'd buy it.

Matthew Overstreet · October 3rd, 2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Philip Williams

The 24P license is for an upcoming semi-pro version of the Optura with HDV. It'll have the same CMOS as the HV10 but with the ability to reclock to 48hz for true 24P at 700+ lines of resolution (it'll be laid to tape just like 24F in true progressive frames). To cut costs and reduce size/expense, it'll feature a single XLR input in addition to an 1/8" input. Full manual controls of course, focus and zoom rings and it'll be all black to match the new cams. Price about $1700.

OK, I can't back that up. But if anyone at Canon is listening, I'd buy it.

Same here, sounds great. The optura series has always been a great line as far as higher end consumer cameras go. Sounds like a deal to me.

October 2nd, 2006, 08:18 AM	#1
Rupert Smith New Boot Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6	Xl3!!??? Anyone heard anything about an XL3?..I was just about to order an XL2 when my dealer told me an XL3 was going to be launched...phoned up Canon UK customer services and was told yes, an XL3 is coming out in November!! thats all the info I was given........!

October 2nd, 2006, 08:28 AM	#2
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Canon announced last year that the XL2 would be their last SD camera. The XH cameras are coming out this month and next month. Canon waits to announce cameras until fairly close to release, but if I'd say the odds are much better that the dealer is referring to the XH cameras than the odds are that they've decided to suddenly release another SD camera a year after saying they would no longer do so, and 3 HD cameras later. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

October 2nd, 2006, 08:43 AM	#4
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	He probably was just wrong. As Peter said, Canon said the XL2 would be their LAST SD camcorder. Maybe the dealer meant an upgraded version of the XL H1, but there has been no press release about that, so I doubt it a bit. __________________ http://productionsofthe3rdkind.com http://pr3k.com

October 2nd, 2006, 08:32 AM	#3
Rupert Smith New Boot Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6	The CANON customer services guy actually said that 3 cameras were going to be released, the G1, A1 and XL3 all in November.

October 2nd, 2006, 11:58 AM	#6
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	I think they will HAVE to upgrade the XLH line or drop the price. The newer cams at several K less will suffice most people not to mention that there are several IMPROVEMENTS over the XLH. I would suspect an XLH1s would include audio embedded HD-SDI, finer image control and a body only kit. The XLH2 would most likely include HDMI as well as HD-SDI and use progressive chips. ash =o)

October 2nd, 2006, 02:32 PM	#7
David Clark Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carrollton, Texas Posts: 145	I think, for Canon (and the rest) to abandon SD is crazy. There is still a huge need for it, both industrial and prosumer. At this time when there are so many compatibility issues, Sony-HDV won't play JVC-HDV won't play Canon-HDV won't play Sony-HDV...... I'm not ready to switch over to a proprietary product. And Canon really needs to manufacture (or market) a deck. I don't have any idea where Panasonic sits in that crowd. And ya, I know they all record in SD, but why pay for what you don't need. Hopefully my XL2 (which I love) will last long enough to stand the winds of change. I would like to see an XL3 (or an XL2s) come out, if it some fixes in it, like more presets, a better EVF, etc, etc....the list could go on and on.

October 2nd, 2006, 03:33 PM	#8
Cal Johnson Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 180	Rupert, you mentioned you were just about to buy the XL2. I think for the money its a great deal. Unless you have a real hard fast reason to go to HDV or HD, I'd go ahead with the XL2. You'll learn a lot about "electronic cinematography" utilizing the presets, and SD is still plenty in demand.

October 2nd, 2006, 07:30 PM	#9
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	It's coming...there's always something new coming...you just have to wait and pray for the best.

October 3rd, 2006, 04:20 PM	#11
Matthew Overstreet Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Whitman, Massachusetts Posts: 168	In regards to an XL3 being a possible successor or step up from the xl-h1 . . . didn't we recently hear that Canon just announced that they acquired a license to produce 24p? Maybe it's an HDV camera that uses true progressive scan technology rather than 24f? And . . . if they are in fact going with the name XL3, maybe that is to differentiate it from the XL x1 series that have all used 24f rather than true progressive scanning? I don't know, just speculation.

October 3rd, 2006, 05:01 PM	#12
Philip Williams Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 614	The 24P license is for an upcoming semi-pro version of the Optura with HDV. It'll have the same CMOS as the HV10 but with the ability to reclock to 48hz for true 24P at 700+ lines of resolution (it'll be laid to tape just like 24F in true progressive frames). To cut costs and reduce size/expense, it'll feature a single XLR input in addition to an 1/8" input. Full manual controls of course, focus and zoom rings and it'll be all black to match the new cams. Price about $1700. OK, I can't back that up. But if anyone at Canon is listening, I'd buy it.