Successor to GL2 soon?

September 26th, 2005, 08:18 AM

If they release anything that will perform like the GL2 at the same or lower price point as the GL2, I will eat it up in a heart beat. There's no point in HD if you can't deliver it on DVD... for me at least. And the GL2's have some kinks that keep haunting me, at least. I'd be perfectly happy with full-proof GL2's! If there are new options that warrant more $$$, like the possibility to shoot in HD, I'll make that jump too if the cost is not laughable.

Interesting read about HD, posted by another person here somewhere. I saved the link to show clients that request HD for wedding videography:

http://dvxuser.com/articles/shoot3/

Peter Moore · September 26th, 2005, 01:54 PM

All I want is a GL2 with 1080/24p HDV. Don't need interchangeable lenses. Just a Sony FX1 with 24p. That's it. I'd pay $3500 for it. How hard could that be?

Marco Leavitt · September 26th, 2005, 02:01 PM

I think that's pretty much what all of us want. But with the price of the new XL so high, I'm afraid the GL HDV may come in closer to $5,000 or else it likely won't have all the features we want.

Peter Moore · September 26th, 2005, 02:05 PM

The GL2 was originally like $2000 fully loaded right? A fully loaded XL1s was something like $5000 right? So, 40% of the price of the XL1H would put a GL1H right about $3500.

Who knows. I just hope. If Canon can make 24F with 1080/interlaced CCDs, then we already have that on an FX1 or Z1, so it shouldn't be too much more than one of those cameras. Especially if Canon wants to compete with the FX1 or Z1.

Honestly, if it doesn't have 24F, then why would anyone buy it over an FX1 or Z1?

Marco Leavitt · September 26th, 2005, 02:16 PM

If I remember right, the original retail price for a GL2 was closer to $3,000. It eventually settled down to about $2,200. B&H now has it for $2,300, and there appears to be some kind of a rebate for $250.

Lawrence Bansbach · September 27th, 2005, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

Simply put, the Canon XL H1 does *not* compete with the Sony FX1 or Z1. Sony will not lose any FX1 / Z1 sales to Canon over the XL H1. It's a completely different camera intended for a completely different market.

I don't think this is entirely true. The FX1 and Z1 have been used as B cameras or in environments where larger cameras (either film or digital) wouldn't easily fit (e.g., on JAG). I can see where the H1, though larger than the Sony cameras, would be used instead, especially if the image were a little better and 24F were as good as 24p. For the longest time (well, 10 months), the FX1 and Z1 were the only game in town for this sort of thing, but now there are choices, and people who might have considered the FX1 or Z1 despite some misgivings (eg, no 24p) will look at the HVX and H1.

Chris Hurd · September 27th, 2005, 08:24 AM

I will concede to you on that point, Lawrence, but I think that particular application is a relatively small slice of the Z1 / FX1 sales pie. My statement there was more or less in reference to the individual buyers, you know, the small shop owners, Joe or Jane Average making the transition to HD.

Lawrence Bansbach · September 27th, 2005, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

I will concede to you on that point, Lawrence, but I think that particular application is a relatively small slice of the Z1 / FX1 sales pie. My statement there was more or less in reference to the individual buyers, you know, the small shop owners, Joe or Jane Average making the transition to HD.

I haven't seen stats as to who's buying the FX1 and Z1, but because there will be a several prosumer HD choices, Sony's overall market share can't help but drop (possibly significantly), especially since these alternatives appear to be more adaptable, albeit more expensive.

Tom Woodworth · September 28th, 2005, 09:59 PM

Does anyone have any idea when Canon will release a successor to the GL2? I'm basically ready to buy a GL2 to use as a second camera for shooting weddings and various sports footage. I own an XL2 but can't really afford to buy another XL2, so I figured a GL2 was the next best thing. If anyone disagrees please let me know what you all suggest. In any case, I'd hate to buy a GL2 only to have it's successor come out three to four months after I buy a GL2. This would be especially hard for me considering the GL2's "age" and I figure to drop 3 grand by the time it's all said and done.

Marco Leavitt · September 29th, 2005, 06:38 AM

I think you can safely count on the successor to the GL2 being released sometime between tomorrow and the next five years. ;)

Philip Williams · September 29th, 2005, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Moore

The GL2 was originally like $2000 fully loaded right? A fully loaded XL1s was something like $5000 right? So, 40% of the price of the XL1H would put a GL1H right about $3500. <snip>

I'm not sure if you can compare the models like that. I think a substantial portion of the XL1H price is related to the hardware for uncompressed video and gen lock (and whatever other studio features I might have forgotten).

Considering the competition price points, I'd peg an XL1H HDV-Only model around $7500 MSRP. I figure Canon could probably squeek a $1200 premium over the HD100 based on 1080/24F vs 720/24P and, probably, a sharper lens. That's really a lot of guess work, but hey, its Area 51.

So the XL1H has about a 50% premium over its SD sibling.
GL2 was what - about $2700 at intro? I can't remember.
If - that's IF - Canon uses a an XL1H pricing model on the GL1H, I guess it would come in right around 4K.

So there we have it. The GL1H/GL3HDV will be have a minimum price of $3500 (a given, considering that people are apparently ready to line up at that price point), possibly $4000 and maybe as high as $5000. It may or may not have 24F (I doubt it). I suspect it will have 30F (a carry over from the popular 30/Frame Mode of the GL1/2). It may come out this year, but its looking more like next year.

That's what I love about Area 51. You can read for great lengths of time and often come away knowing absolutely nothing :)

One thing I do know is that Canon will have to carefully set the price and features of the GL1H if they're going to compete with Sony. If its priced at $3500+ without a good 24F mode (meaning 1/48th shutter and proper 24 frame motion), it'll be extremely similar to the FX1. Additionally the HVR-A1 might offer some competition as well. And without some really nice features, some non-pro users will just wait altogether and buy a cheap HC1 to hold them over.

Philip Williams
www.philipwilliams.com

Tom Woodworth · September 29th, 2005, 12:05 PM

Good speculation. I suppose I'm going to just buy a GL2 and hope that it's successor isn't released for at least 8 months from now. Hopefully by then I'll have the cash to pick up a third camera.

Nathaniel McInnes · October 3rd, 2005, 10:48 AM

My friend over in america has had a go at the new canon xl h1 camcorder and if you compare the to the sony hdv cameras he said its nothin like each other hdv camera. He also said the new hdv canon camera is much more its basicly as good as the $50000.00 cameras. this new camera is much better than the fx 1. This camera is capable of doing live shots and where i live. i no some tv channels can wait for the new xl h1 to come out because, well aleast i would say that this camera is way under price.

Tom Woodworth · October 3rd, 2005, 01:20 PM

Ahh...if only I could afford the XL H1...but I'm am limited to my options due to limiting finances.

Chris Hurd · October 17th, 2005, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Philip Williams

That's what I love about Area 51. You can read for great lengths of time and often come away knowing absolutely nothing :)

Alas, that's the impetus behind this forum. ;-)

September 27th, 2005, 08:24 AM	#22
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	I will concede to you on that point, Lawrence, but I think that particular application is a relatively small slice of the Z1 / FX1 sales pie. My statement there was more or less in reference to the individual buyers, you know, the small shop owners, Joe or Jane Average making the transition to HD. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 28th, 2005, 09:59 PM	#24
Tom Woodworth Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 42	Successor to GL2 Does anyone have any idea when Canon will release a successor to the GL2? I'm basically ready to buy a GL2 to use as a second camera for shooting weddings and various sports footage. I own an XL2 but can't really afford to buy another XL2, so I figured a GL2 was the next best thing. If anyone disagrees please let me know what you all suggest. In any case, I'd hate to buy a GL2 only to have it's successor come out three to four months after I buy a GL2. This would be especially hard for me considering the GL2's "age" and I figure to drop 3 grand by the time it's all said and done.

September 29th, 2005, 12:05 PM	#27
Tom Woodworth Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 42	Successor to GL2 Good speculation. I suppose I'm going to just buy a GL2 and hope that it's successor isn't released for at least 8 months from now. Hopefully by then I'll have the cash to pick up a third camera.

September 26th, 2005, 08:18 AM	#16
Guest Posts: n/a	If they release anything that will perform like the GL2 at the same or lower price point as the GL2, I will eat it up in a heart beat. There's no point in HD if you can't deliver it on DVD... for me at least. And the GL2's have some kinks that keep haunting me, at least. I'd be perfectly happy with full-proof GL2's! If there are new options that warrant more $$$, like the possibility to shoot in HD, I'll make that jump too if the cost is not laughable. Interesting read about HD, posted by another person here somewhere. I saved the link to show clients that request HD for wedding videography: http://dvxuser.com/articles/shoot3/

September 26th, 2005, 01:54 PM	#17
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	All I want is a GL2 with 1080/24p HDV. Don't need interchangeable lenses. Just a Sony FX1 with 24p. That's it. I'd pay $3500 for it. How hard could that be?

September 26th, 2005, 02:01 PM	#18
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	I think that's pretty much what all of us want. But with the price of the new XL so high, I'm afraid the GL HDV may come in closer to $5,000 or else it likely won't have all the features we want.

September 26th, 2005, 02:05 PM	#19
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	The GL2 was originally like $2000 fully loaded right? A fully loaded XL1s was something like $5000 right? So, 40% of the price of the XL1H would put a GL1H right about $3500. Who knows. I just hope. If Canon can make 24F with 1080/interlaced CCDs, then we already have that on an FX1 or Z1, so it shouldn't be too much more than one of those cameras. Especially if Canon wants to compete with the FX1 or Z1. Honestly, if it doesn't have 24F, then why would anyone buy it over an FX1 or Z1?

September 26th, 2005, 02:16 PM	#20
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	If I remember right, the original retail price for a GL2 was closer to $3,000. It eventually settled down to about $2,200. B&H now has it for $2,300, and there appears to be some kind of a rebate for $250.

September 29th, 2005, 06:38 AM	#25
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	I think you can safely count on the successor to the GL2 being released sometime between tomorrow and the next five years. ;)

October 3rd, 2005, 10:48 AM	#28
Nathaniel McInnes Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Taffs well, Wales Posts: 190	My friend over in america has had a go at the new canon xl h1 camcorder and if you compare the to the sony hdv cameras he said its nothin like each other hdv camera. He also said the new hdv canon camera is much more its basicly as good as the $50000.00 cameras. this new camera is much better than the fx 1. This camera is capable of doing live shots and where i live. i no some tv channels can wait for the new xl h1 to come out because, well aleast i would say that this camera is way under price.

October 3rd, 2005, 01:20 PM	#29
Tom Woodworth Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 42	Ahh...if only I could afford the XL H1...but I'm am limited to my options due to limiting finances.