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Frank Granovski · April 5th, 2004, 03:54 AM

"A single frame of film contains over 12 million pixels of information and the full range of human emotion." ---Kodak

I'm glad I use film. :-)

I wonder how many pixels there are in film from a large format camera?

Ted Springer · April 5th, 2004, 03:04 PM

I KNOW you don't think that film actually uses pixels! But my friends at Kodak tell me that a 35mm frame of film (Motion picture 4-perf with, not photographic stills) is equivilant to about 4,000 lines of resolution, though many movies render their CGI at 2k. When you think the special effects in a movie look soft wand mushy (like A Perfect Storm, etc) then that's because they rendered it at 2k. The movies Stuart Little 1 and 2 are rendered at 4k, and look how much better they look.

My friends at Kodak have been trying to get the whole range of emotion into film, but so far the only emotion film can feel is annoyance. Someday, I may tell Kodak that film isn't actually alive and is incapable of emotion.

Anyway, do you have a link to that quote? Where did you see it?

Aaron Koolen · April 5th, 2004, 03:46 PM

Holy crap! That's it - it's all so clear now! That's why all my my actors look so emotionless and awful when I view the footage. I'm shooting on miniDV! It must only have about 3% of the emotion of film. At least I'm in PAL land though - that's some consolation.

Aaron

Graham Bernard · April 6th, 2004, 12:14 AM

Think what that low res does for the chow wagon?!?! You are only getting ¼ > ½ of yer burger; or sandwich; or steak . . .. ooooh is that why! Thanks Frank . ..

Frank Granovski · April 6th, 2004, 03:08 AM

I'm not finished yet. Kodak has a HD film line (high definition). I guess that means even higher resolution but in the 16:9 format, unless it's 35mm motion film, I bet. :-))

Rob Belics · April 6th, 2004, 08:09 AM

Kodak and other film companies use that emotional term frequently. Someone in another thread here talked about how film seems to convey an emotion that video doesn't. And I frequently read that on other forums.

It may have to do with the better color produceability. In B&W it can show jarring contrasts in dramatic scenes.

That is what they mean by films ability to show emotion just as an actor or scene can set a mood.

Filip Kovcin · April 10th, 2004, 03:51 PM

"A single frame of film contains over 12 million pixels of information and the full range of human emotion." ---Kodak
==========================================

- where i can find info about emotional pixels?

- how big or how many pixels are in "full range"? does this means that half of "full range" is also half of the resolution or what?

-need mathematic formula for human emotions factor

- is kodak talking about processed/developed film frame or just exposed? or maybe not exposed?

- is this visible on x-rays machines on the airports?

- does this means that if we are shooting non humans (empty can, slate/clap, dirt, animal, or fuji logo) - suddenly emotions on the screen are also human?

- is that single frame wieved by anyone or not? or it's a just a theoretical example?

- so the film grain is just ilusion - there are moving pixels!

- is chemical pixel patented?

need help!!!

thanks

filip

Frank Granovski · April 10th, 2004, 06:49 PM

"where i can find info about emotional pixels?"

Why, just contact Kodak, my friend.

"how big or how many pixels are in "full range"? does this means that half of "full range" is also half of the resolution or what?"

Or what.

"need mathematic formula for human emotions factor"

You will need to either contact Kodak or a professional photographer who owns a black professional Nikon F5.

"is kodak talking about processed/developed film frame or just exposed? or maybe not exposed?"

Processed/developed film frame.

"is this visible on x-rays machines on the airports?"

No.

"does this means that if we are shooting non humans (empty can, slate/clap, dirt, animal, or fuji logo) - suddenly emotions on the screen are also human?"

Animals are human, if you ask me.

"is that single frame wieved by anyone or not? or it's a just a theoretical example?"

Yes, they're single frames viewed by anyone or not. Certainly not theoretical although I'm sure it was in the beginning.

"so the film grain is just ilusion - there are moving pixels!"

No illusion and no moving pixels.

"is chemical pixel patented?"

Again, contack Kodak for the answer.

"need help!!!"

What kind of help? :-))

Boyd Ostroff · April 10th, 2004, 07:44 PM

"over 12 million pixels of information and the full range of human emotion."

Sounds like these must be some truly "moving pictures".

Mike Condron · May 10th, 2004, 09:30 AM

It's "...emulsion"

Get it right guys.

Rob Belics · May 10th, 2004, 09:37 AM

No. The article says emotion, not emulsion.

Mike Condron · May 10th, 2004, 10:18 AM

Well I've never actually SEEN a Kodak retiree. I think it's emulsion.

Rob Belics · May 10th, 2004, 10:34 AM

???

Nick Hiltgen · May 11th, 2004, 12:36 AM

I think mike's making a funny rob.

Frank Granovski · May 11th, 2004, 01:49 AM

Nevertheless, "a single frame of film contains over 12 million pixels of information." That's why I use film for my pics (and sharp Nikkor lenses). :-))

April 5th, 2004, 03:54 AM	#1
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Wow! Lots of pixels! "A single frame of film contains over 12 million pixels of information and the full range of human emotion." ---Kodak I'm glad I use film. :-) I wonder how many pixels there are in film from a large format camera?

April 5th, 2004, 03:46 PM	#3
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Holy crap! That's it - it's all so clear now! That's why all my my actors look so emotionless and awful when I view the footage. I'm shooting on miniDV! It must only have about 3% of the emotion of film. At least I'm in PAL land though - that's some consolation. Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

April 6th, 2004, 12:14 AM	#4
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	½ Rations Think what that low res does for the chow wagon?!?! You are only getting ¼ > ½ of yer burger; or sandwich; or steak . . .. ooooh is that why! Thanks Frank . ..

May 10th, 2004, 09:30 AM	#10
Mike Condron New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Location: Modesto California Posts: 16	It's "...emulsion" Get it right guys. __________________ Mike

May 10th, 2004, 10:18 AM	#12
Mike Condron New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Location: Modesto California Posts: 16	Well I've never actually SEEN a Kodak retiree. I think it's emulsion. __________________ Mike

April 5th, 2004, 03:04 PM	#2
Ted Springer Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glendale CA Posts: 328	I KNOW you don't think that film actually uses pixels! But my friends at Kodak tell me that a 35mm frame of film (Motion picture 4-perf with, not photographic stills) is equivilant to about 4,000 lines of resolution, though many movies render their CGI at 2k. When you think the special effects in a movie look soft wand mushy (like A Perfect Storm, etc) then that's because they rendered it at 2k. The movies Stuart Little 1 and 2 are rendered at 4k, and look how much better they look. My friends at Kodak have been trying to get the whole range of emotion into film, but so far the only emotion film can feel is annoyance. Someday, I may tell Kodak that film isn't actually alive and is incapable of emotion. Anyway, do you have a link to that quote? Where did you see it?

April 6th, 2004, 03:08 AM	#5
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I'm not finished yet. Kodak has a HD film line (high definition). I guess that means even higher resolution but in the 16:9 format, unless it's 35mm motion film, I bet. :-))

April 6th, 2004, 08:09 AM	#6
Rob Belics Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 581	Kodak and other film companies use that emotional term frequently. Someone in another thread here talked about how film seems to convey an emotion that video doesn't. And I frequently read that on other forums. It may have to do with the better color produceability. In B&W it can show jarring contrasts in dramatic scenes. That is what they mean by films ability to show emotion just as an actor or scene can set a mood.

April 10th, 2004, 03:51 PM	#7
Filip Kovcin Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: warsaw, poland Posts: 440	"A single frame of film contains over 12 million pixels of information and the full range of human emotion." ---Kodak ========================================== - where i can find info about emotional pixels? - how big or how many pixels are in "full range"? does this means that half of "full range" is also half of the resolution or what? -need mathematic formula for human emotions factor - is kodak talking about processed/developed film frame or just exposed? or maybe not exposed? - is this visible on x-rays machines on the airports? - does this means that if we are shooting non humans (empty can, slate/clap, dirt, animal, or fuji logo) - suddenly emotions on the screen are also human? - is that single frame wieved by anyone or not? or it's a just a theoretical example? - so the film grain is just ilusion - there are moving pixels! - is chemical pixel patented? need help!!! thanks filip

April 10th, 2004, 06:49 PM	#8
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	"where i can find info about emotional pixels?" Why, just contact Kodak, my friend. "how big or how many pixels are in "full range"? does this means that half of "full range" is also half of the resolution or what?" Or what. "need mathematic formula for human emotions factor" You will need to either contact Kodak or a professional photographer who owns a black professional Nikon F5. "is kodak talking about processed/developed film frame or just exposed? or maybe not exposed?" Processed/developed film frame. "is this visible on x-rays machines on the airports?" No. "does this means that if we are shooting non humans (empty can, slate/clap, dirt, animal, or fuji logo) - suddenly emotions on the screen are also human?" Animals are human, if you ask me. "is that single frame wieved by anyone or not? or it's a just a theoretical example?" Yes, they're single frames viewed by anyone or not. Certainly not theoretical although I'm sure it was in the beginning. "so the film grain is just ilusion - there are moving pixels!" No illusion and no moving pixels. "is chemical pixel patented?" Again, contack Kodak for the answer. "need help!!!" What kind of help? :-))

April 10th, 2004, 07:44 PM	#9
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	"over 12 million pixels of information and the full range of human emotion." Sounds like these must be some truly "moving pictures".

May 10th, 2004, 09:37 AM	#11
Rob Belics Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 581	No. The article says emotion, not emulsion.

May 10th, 2004, 10:34 AM	#13
Rob Belics Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 581	???

May 11th, 2004, 12:36 AM	#14
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	I think mike's making a funny rob.

May 11th, 2004, 01:49 AM	#15
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Nevertheless, "a single frame of film contains over 12 million pixels of information." That's why I use film for my pics (and sharp Nikkor lenses). :-))