High Definition with Elphel model 333 camera

Wayne Morellini · May 13th, 2007, 08:54 PM

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Andrey Filippov · May 13th, 2007, 11:52 PM

The one we used (with additional 5V converter) is 7K100 :-)

Odd Nydren · May 14th, 2007, 12:58 PM

Andrey - do you have a HDD upnrunning inside the camera now??
Any idea of performance yet??

just very curious :)

//O.

Andrey Filippov · May 14th, 2007, 01:27 PM

So far we tried 2.5"HDD attached to 10349 board with additional 48V->5V DC-DC converter. And were able to access the files.

Our current camera software is based on Axis SDK 2.01 and (as we had to find out) it does not work with either IDE or USB. Since then Axis finally released 2.10 (we could not wait that long) that we made to just boot in the camera and Spectr could access USB and HDD, but he did not yet merge our additions to 2.01 and later Axis 2.10 so we do not have yet camera with HDD. But we will have it at LinuxTag for sure.

Serge Victorovich · May 15th, 2007, 06:15 AM

Andrey, how you can answer today on this question:
http://dvinfo.net/conf/showpost.php?...&postcount=104 ?

Oscar Spierenburg · May 15th, 2007, 06:36 AM

I've been on vacation for a few weeks. But I took the Elphel with me and built a laptop mount on the Tripod. It really makes everything a lot easier. I now use a very fast laptop.
I'll post some pics of the tripod and the laptop.
I also shot a short docu just to test the Elphel for outdoor use. When I have finished editing I'll post the film.

Phil Stone · May 15th, 2007, 07:52 AM

I use the 333 all the time out side, It likes the sun & blue sky! I also use a fast laptop with a 2.5" 7600rpm drive (the Hitachi one I think). Recently been using it with a Sony Vaio FE31 using the original HD & it seems good upto about 70% in most conditions.

Andrey Filippov · May 15th, 2007, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serge Victorovich

Andrey, how you can answer today on this question:
http://dvinfo.net/conf/showpost.php?...&postcount=104 ?

Serge, no - I can not yet. We do not have yet any performance data on the camera+hdd - we don't even have yet the firmware that can run both (see my previous post).

Matteo Pozzi · May 15th, 2007, 08:53 AM

hi phil did you use the live knoppix or did you have installed on your hd!?

hi oscar thanks for your next upload :-)

Phil Stone · May 15th, 2007, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matteo Pozzi

hi phil did you use the live knoppix or did you have installed on your hd!?

hi oscar thanks for your next upload :-)

Its best I think to use the live CD. This way the internal HD of the laptop is totally dedicated to video capture. It does take a while to boot up though. But once its loaded into memory it seems fast performance wise.

Oscar Spierenburg · May 17th, 2007, 12:56 PM

Does anyone know a place to upload the avi file? It's 50 MB big.

Oscar Spierenburg · May 18th, 2007, 01:28 PM

Here is a small version of the 'documentary' I made in France. While my girlfriend was working all day in the garden making a path.... I was testing all aspects of the Elphel. Yes, between some shots I helped her a bit, but filmmaking comes first, right?

This short film also proves you can synch a separate audio recording, using the old method with a clap board (in this case I just clapped my hands and said the take number, the same as the Elphel output filename)
I used a portable minidisc recorder and it really worked fine.
I also used the wax adapter (which really needs to be rebuild to get rid of soft edges), and a 'big' Panasonic TV lens (notice some telephoto close ups of the flowers).

The clip is reduced by half in resolution to upload, and is just a rough cut without color adjustments and some faults in the editing. I'll probably upload the final version at normal resolution of 1600x900 pixels and less compression.
I'll post some stills at full size soon.

You can download the (54MB) file here: http://dvinfo.it-now.org/RomainSurMeuse2.avi (it's in Xvid compression)

Odd Nydren · May 18th, 2007, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrey Filippov

...but he did not yet merge our additions to 2.01 and later Axis 2.10 so we do not have yet camera with HDD. But we will have it at LinuxTag for sure.

Great news!
Too bad I can't go to LinuxTag...have other commitments...

Any idea how long time it will be until you have a casing that can hold the hdd?
..in other words - when can I buy one? :)

//O.

Andrey Filippov · May 18th, 2007, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odd Nydren

Any idea how long time it will be until you have a casing that can hold the hdd?
..in other words - when can I buy one? :)//O.

No, we did not work on that. But I don't think it should be a problem for dvinfo community (after having seen those nice photos of DIY cameras).

Odd Nydren · May 18th, 2007, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrey Filippov

No, we did not work on that. But I don't think it should be a problem for dvinfo community (after having seen those nice photos of DIY cameras).

Oh I was just curious...

The only part I would hesitate to build myself would be the c-mount.
If I can buy the 353 in its original casing with hdd support I see no problem in customizing that :)

Please let us know when you can capture images to the hdd!

//O.

May 14th, 2007, 12:58 PM	#663
Odd Nydren Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 88	UpnRunning?? Andrey - do you have a HDD upnrunning inside the camera now?? Any idea of performance yet?? just very curious :) //O.

May 13th, 2007, 08:54 PM	#661
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	The new fastest laptop drive: Travelstar 200GB 7K200 http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/10/h...rpm-bulk-encr/ http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/sit...ecae2eac4f0a0/ http://www.google.com/search?client=...utf-8&oe=utf-8

May 13th, 2007, 11:52 PM	#662
Andrey Filippov Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Magna, Utah Posts: 215	The one we used (with additional 5V converter) is 7K100 :-)

May 14th, 2007, 01:27 PM	#664
Andrey Filippov Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Magna, Utah Posts: 215	So far we tried 2.5"HDD attached to 10349 board with additional 48V->5V DC-DC converter. And were able to access the files. Our current camera software is based on Axis SDK 2.01 and (as we had to find out) it does not work with either IDE or USB. Since then Axis finally released 2.10 (we could not wait that long) that we made to just boot in the camera and Spectr could access USB and HDD, but he did not yet merge our additions to 2.01 and later Axis 2.10 so we do not have yet camera with HDD. But we will have it at LinuxTag for sure.

May 15th, 2007, 06:15 AM	#665
Serge Victorovich Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 376	Andrey, how you can answer today on this question: http://dvinfo.net/conf/showpost.php?...&postcount=104 ?

May 15th, 2007, 06:36 AM	#666
Oscar Spierenburg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: (The Netherlands - Belgium) Posts: 735	I've been on vacation for a few weeks. But I took the Elphel with me and built a laptop mount on the Tripod. It really makes everything a lot easier. I now use a very fast laptop. I'll post some pics of the tripod and the laptop. I also shot a short docu just to test the Elphel for outdoor use. When I have finished editing I'll post the film.

May 15th, 2007, 07:52 AM	#667
Phil Stone Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: UK Posts: 74	I use the 333 all the time out side, It likes the sun & blue sky! I also use a fast laptop with a 2.5" 7600rpm drive (the Hitachi one I think). Recently been using it with a Sony Vaio FE31 using the original HD & it seems good upto about 70% in most conditions.

May 15th, 2007, 08:53 AM	#669
Matteo Pozzi Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 169	hi phil did you use the live knoppix or did you have installed on your hd!? hi oscar thanks for your next upload :-)

May 17th, 2007, 12:56 PM	#671
Oscar Spierenburg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: (The Netherlands - Belgium) Posts: 735	Does anyone know a place to upload the avi file? It's 50 MB big.

May 18th, 2007, 01:28 PM	#672
Oscar Spierenburg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: (The Netherlands - Belgium) Posts: 735	Here is a small version of the 'documentary' I made in France. While my girlfriend was working all day in the garden making a path.... I was testing all aspects of the Elphel. Yes, between some shots I helped her a bit, but filmmaking comes first, right? This short film also proves you can synch a separate audio recording, using the old method with a clap board (in this case I just clapped my hands and said the take number, the same as the Elphel output filename) I used a portable minidisc recorder and it really worked fine. I also used the wax adapter (which really needs to be rebuild to get rid of soft edges), and a 'big' Panasonic TV lens (notice some telephoto close ups of the flowers). The clip is reduced by half in resolution to upload, and is just a rough cut without color adjustments and some faults in the editing. I'll probably upload the final version at normal resolution of 1600x900 pixels and less compression. I'll post some stills at full size soon. You can download the (54MB) file here: http://dvinfo.it-now.org/RomainSurMeuse2.avi (it's in Xvid compression)