Various SGpro topics

Bob Hart · June 22nd, 2007, 01:16 AM

What this possibly says in subtext is that the SGPro system resolution is sharp enough to provoke the artifact, which on normal direct-to-camera deep DOF imaging would be buried in background textural clutter.

So it should probably be seen as a compliment, not a deficiency in the adaptor imaging. Certainly, I like the images and lament I am being left way behind nowadays.

Jon Wolding · June 22nd, 2007, 02:23 AM

I've always liked the SGPro's bokeh. I also dislike the box (sometimes using rails sucks). I'd probably buy an SGPro if I could buy just the adapter.

Still... I'd like to see footage without drawbacks.

Wayne Kinney · June 22nd, 2007, 05:19 AM

Thanks guys.

I think im going to shot some more this weekend with the sharpness set to 8 on the FX1.

David Delaney · June 22nd, 2007, 06:03 AM

Wayne, any stills without 16:9?

Wayne Kinney · June 22nd, 2007, 07:38 AM

David,

The FX1 is a 16:9 only cam.

Stephen Pipe · June 22nd, 2007, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne Kinney

David,

The FX1 is a 16:9 only cam.

I think you can shoot 4:3 in SD mode on an FX1.

Wayne Kinney · June 22nd, 2007, 12:18 PM

Thanks Stephen, good to know. I dont think i've had it in SD/DV mode since I bought it :)

Wayne Kinney · December 1st, 2007, 04:08 AM

Hi Guys,

We have tried to keep our hat on this for the last few months, but we are pleased to announce that the SGflip module will go on sale in about 3 weeks time. We have the first release version of the flip module in today, all looks great. We have it all rigged up, looks the business. Quick tests reveal no noticeable lightloss compared to the non flip setup!

I'll get footage up with rig pictures from the FX1 this weekend, with planned tests with the HVX200 and JVC HD201 soon.

The module will be an addon solution for existing SGpro Rev2 and Rev3 users and we will also offer an SGpro flip package once released. The flip module has 97% light transmition, we believe the SGpro with flip will loose just over a stop. The flip modules are custom made for the SGpro by Quyen Le (Letus) so use the same prism and achromat as the new letus extreme, which is tried and tested. The flip module replaces the existing tube of the SGpro. The flip module raises the camcorder by 44mm. A 44mm raiser shim and longer bolts will be provided.

Here is a little preview picture of the flip module:

http://sgpro.co.uk/flip.jpg

The price of the flip module will be around £279 ex VAT for Rev3 users, and £294 ex VAT for Rev2 users (extra part needed for Rev2).

We will be uploading footage from the HVX200, JVC HD201 and Sony FX1 with the flips release :)

David Delaney · December 1st, 2007, 08:28 AM

Great to see Wayne, can't wait to see the footage.

Thomas Richter · December 1st, 2007, 09:28 AM

Yes!!! Just realised I need to do more work with my SG Pro again. Love it!

It will shorten the setup as well, won't it?

Great job,

Thomas

Wayne Kinney · December 1st, 2007, 10:07 AM

Hi,

It will replace the current tube resulting in the same length.

We would like to share these 2 pictures showing the SGpro rig with flip module:

http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/341...7235565_rs.jpg

http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/343...7856409_rs.jpg

Footage is looking very good indeed, below is a quick grab:

http://aycu27.webshots.com/image/325...9143918_rs.jpg

We are currently shooting some footage to upload soon.

All comments welcome!

Igor Babic · December 1st, 2007, 10:48 AM

Can you mount it downwards so this setup is not so tall?

Wayne Kinney · December 1st, 2007, 11:00 AM

Hi,

No, it would hit the 15mm rods.

Thomas Richter · December 2nd, 2007, 12:01 PM

If SG pro users like myself are prepared to redesign their rod support system at own risk, would it be technically possible to mount the flip module upside down?

I am thinking of a two layered solution like the one shown on the Letus Extreme page.

Still excited,
Tom

Wayne Kinney · December 17th, 2007, 01:31 PM

Hi guys,

We have managed to upload a few shots we took last weekend with the SGpro r3 and the new flip module. I'm no camera man, so forgive the shaky footage :) We want to go and shoot some better stuff, but time was against us this month, and British weather is mighty cold! As in my other post, we are looking for UK shooters to meet to test the flip rig.

Shot with the Sony FX1e in 25p, using Canon FD lenses. The FX1 had either ND 1 or 2 on all the time.

We decided to shoot where we did because the scene gives some good elements to test the rig. The plants in the foreground are a good test for sharpness and detail, the balcony rails are a good test for distortion and the bright sky and distant background being a good test grain and chroma aberration.

Please pay particular attention to the 'bokeh rendition'. This is something we have worked very hard on, to achieve realistic bokeh.

Download link (4 minutes, 66MB wmv, 600x337 with music) please right click and 'save as' (sorry for the bad choice in music):
http://www.sgpro.co.uk/new%20footage...lip_module.wmv

Below are a few grabs:

http://www.sgpro.co.uk/flip01.jpg

http://www.sgpro.co.uk/flip02.jpg

Example of the SGpro's 'bokeh rendition'
http://www.sgpro.co.uk/flip03.jpg

And a pic of the complete rig (missing from the pic is the tripod connection plate):

http://www.sgpro.co.uk/SGpro_flip_package.jpg

Please let us know what you guys think. We are launching the new shoot35 website on Thursday, showcasing the latest footage and new packages :)

June 22nd, 2007, 05:19 AM	#33
Wayne Kinney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 938	Thanks guys. I think im going to shot some more this weekend with the sharpness set to 8 on the FX1. __________________ Thanks, Wayne.

June 22nd, 2007, 07:38 AM	#35
Wayne Kinney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 938	David, The FX1 is a 16:9 only cam. __________________ Thanks, Wayne.

June 22nd, 2007, 12:18 PM	#37
Wayne Kinney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 938	Thanks Stephen, good to know. I dont think i've had it in SD/DV mode since I bought it :) __________________ Thanks, Wayne.

December 1st, 2007, 04:08 AM	#38
Wayne Kinney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 938	SGpro flip module is here - footage up this weekend! Hi Guys, We have tried to keep our hat on this for the last few months, but we are pleased to announce that the SGflip module will go on sale in about 3 weeks time. We have the first release version of the flip module in today, all looks great. We have it all rigged up, looks the business. Quick tests reveal no noticeable lightloss compared to the non flip setup! I'll get footage up with rig pictures from the FX1 this weekend, with planned tests with the HVX200 and JVC HD201 soon. The module will be an addon solution for existing SGpro Rev2 and Rev3 users and we will also offer an SGpro flip package once released. The flip module has 97% light transmition, we believe the SGpro with flip will loose just over a stop. The flip modules are custom made for the SGpro by Quyen Le (Letus) so use the same prism and achromat as the new letus extreme, which is tried and tested. The flip module replaces the existing tube of the SGpro. The flip module raises the camcorder by 44mm. A 44mm raiser shim and longer bolts will be provided. Here is a little preview picture of the flip module: http://sgpro.co.uk/flip.jpg The price of the flip module will be around £279 ex VAT for Rev3 users, and £294 ex VAT for Rev2 users (extra part needed for Rev2). We will be uploading footage from the HVX200, JVC HD201 and Sony FX1 with the flips release :) __________________ Thanks, Wayne.

December 1st, 2007, 10:07 AM	#41
Wayne Kinney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 938	Hi, It will replace the current tube resulting in the same length. We would like to share these 2 pictures showing the SGpro rig with flip module: http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/341...7235565_rs.jpg http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/343...7856409_rs.jpg Footage is looking very good indeed, below is a quick grab: http://aycu27.webshots.com/image/325...9143918_rs.jpg We are currently shooting some footage to upload soon. All comments welcome! __________________ Thanks, Wayne.

June 22nd, 2007, 01:16 AM	#31
Bob Hart Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA. Posts: 4,477	What this possibly says in subtext is that the SGPro system resolution is sharp enough to provoke the artifact, which on normal direct-to-camera deep DOF imaging would be buried in background textural clutter. So it should probably be seen as a compliment, not a deficiency in the adaptor imaging. Certainly, I like the images and lament I am being left way behind nowadays.

June 22nd, 2007, 02:23 AM	#32
Jon Wolding Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 195	I've always liked the SGPro's bokeh. I also dislike the box (sometimes using rails sucks). I'd probably buy an SGPro if I could buy just the adapter. Still... I'd like to see footage without drawbacks.

June 22nd, 2007, 06:03 AM	#34
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	Wayne, any stills without 16:9?

December 1st, 2007, 08:28 AM	#39
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	Great to see Wayne, can't wait to see the footage.

December 1st, 2007, 09:28 AM	#40
Thomas Richter Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Frankfurt, Germany Posts: 181	Yes!!! Just realised I need to do more work with my SG Pro again. Love it! It will shorten the setup as well, won't it? Great job, Thomas

December 1st, 2007, 10:48 AM	#42
Igor Babic Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Zagreb, Croatia Posts: 171	Can you mount it downwards so this setup is not so tall?

December 1st, 2007, 11:00 AM	#43
Wayne Kinney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 938	Hi, No, it would hit the 15mm rods. __________________ Thanks, Wayne.

December 2nd, 2007, 12:01 PM	#44
Thomas Richter Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Frankfurt, Germany Posts: 181	If SG pro users like myself are prepared to redesign their rod support system at own risk, would it be technically possible to mount the flip module upside down? I am thinking of a two layered solution like the one shown on the Letus Extreme page. Still excited, Tom

December 17th, 2007, 01:31 PM	#45
Wayne Kinney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 938	SGpro r3 flip module footage Hi guys, We have managed to upload a few shots we took last weekend with the SGpro r3 and the new flip module. I'm no camera man, so forgive the shaky footage :) We want to go and shoot some better stuff, but time was against us this month, and British weather is mighty cold! As in my other post, we are looking for UK shooters to meet to test the flip rig. Shot with the Sony FX1e in 25p, using Canon FD lenses. The FX1 had either ND 1 or 2 on all the time. We decided to shoot where we did because the scene gives some good elements to test the rig. The plants in the foreground are a good test for sharpness and detail, the balcony rails are a good test for distortion and the bright sky and distant background being a good test grain and chroma aberration. Please pay particular attention to the 'bokeh rendition'. This is something we have worked very hard on, to achieve realistic bokeh. Download link (4 minutes, 66MB wmv, 600x337 with music) please right click and 'save as' (sorry for the bad choice in music): http://www.sgpro.co.uk/new%20footage...lip_module.wmv Below are a few grabs: http://www.sgpro.co.uk/flip01.jpg http://www.sgpro.co.uk/flip02.jpg Example of the SGpro's 'bokeh rendition' http://www.sgpro.co.uk/flip03.jpg And a pic of the complete rig (missing from the pic is the tripod connection plate): http://www.sgpro.co.uk/SGpro_flip_package.jpg Please let us know what you guys think. We are launching the new shoot35 website on Thursday, showcasing the latest footage and new packages :) __________________ Thanks, Wayne. Last edited by Wayne Kinney; December 17th, 2007 at 02:29 PM.