New support rods question...

Jimi Colteryahn · November 17th, 2005, 01:13 PM

Hello!
I think the real issue here is, though most won't admit it, is that we want a Camera mount-Rod System, Matte box and Follow Focus for $400.
We want the above with a slr lens adaptor for $700.
We want the entire package with a 7" LCD with rechargeable battery, hood, mount for $1200 or better.
You could prolly charge more if you included a hat that simply says "Director" on it. I mean like a $100 bucks more. Just no big company logo...
Thanks!
Jimi

Michael Maier · November 17th, 2005, 01:55 PM

That's what I thought too. The Cavison support here: http://www.cavision.com/rods/minidv.htm , seems to offer the same as Dan's and is a fit all type of thing. So I didn't understand what this fuzz here is about:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Diaconu

a) Cavision does not offer a Letus rods support, right? (I offered it for under $100)
b) Cavision does offer a camera plate/rods support, right? ($125-149)
c) I offered them both for $200, right?
d) I have battled the specific issues for MPIC for months. I have the solution (not offered by Cavision).
e) On the outside, both MPIC and Letus share the same cylindrical shape (a different diameter I guess)

Alfonso Rojas · November 17th, 2005, 02:00 PM

Hello fellas,
Cavision matteboxes pretty good? I'm a bit new to this and would like to get a Mattebox for my XL1. I'm kinda eager to find out prices for the 4x4 mattebox, do you guys have any idea? I'm still waiting on their response. Also, when I buy a mattebox, everything usually come with it? obs. need support rods, but is that it? Thanks much!
-Alfonso

Dan Diaconu · November 17th, 2005, 02:23 PM

You talk looking at pictures, I talk with three on the table.Take it from them (and make it work). Sorry to even try to help.

Ben Winter · November 17th, 2005, 04:09 PM

Dan, it's not that we don't believe you, it's that we don't believe you.

We just don't understand why the Cavision rod system wouldn't work with the Letus. Can you provide us with pictures or details explaining why you say the Cavision won't work? Cavision provides the entire rod/support thing for $160 max, and I'm not understanding why an adjustable bracket coming up from the rods wouldn't be able to work with the Letus.

?

For talking with three on the table, you talk pretty ambiguously.

Marcus Marchesseault · November 17th, 2005, 05:28 PM

Yall ain't lisnin! (whip crack echoes across the mesa)

Dan's system addresses an issue that the Cavision can not. There are no pictures yet on Dan's site that show his complete system, only the rod support for his follow focus. We will need to wait and see how Dan has solved the problem.

The issue I am talking about is LENS support. It is a simple matter to support the Letus35. It is another matter entirely to support a moving lens that needs to have the operator's hands touching it constantly. There is practically no place on some lenses to support their weight without getting in the way of some moving part. Even the filter flange moves when focus changes (it breaths in and out).

Why do Letus35 owners need lens support? The plastic mount is not super strong and will warp or even break after extensive use of a long zoom lens. My zoom lens weighs about 1.5 pounds and is 8" long when in full telephoto. That is a lot of weight cantilevered out that far for a plastic mounting ring.

Dan, don't take it personally and get frustrated. I don't think people understand how dynamic a problem lens support can be. If your system truly addresses the issue of lens support that does not prevent using the lens, they will see the merits of your product.

Jimi Colteryahn · November 17th, 2005, 05:49 PM

hello!
Can the tripod foot design of telephoto lenses be used for what you need?
The entire lens does not rotate, you can still place a foot. Then to prevent the lens from stressing your Letus, ziptie it to the foot in two places, kind of like a telephoto collar.
Jimi

Dan Diaconu · November 17th, 2005, 05:57 PM

Nothing personal. Marcus, you have the same problem I had a while ago. You asked for help and I offered help. The rest doesn't matter. No more pictures master Ben. Master Lee learned a good lesson to me. Buy Cavision. Marcus, if you still need help, email me.

Michael Maier · November 17th, 2005, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Diaconu

. No more pictures master Ben. Master Lee learned a good lesson to me.

For devices based on "stolen" ideas from P+S (all the people making and selling DOF adapters), a lot of people here seems terrified of other people stealing "their" ideas and making money with them. I wonder what Agus think of all that.

Oscar Spierenburg · November 17th, 2005, 06:58 PM

Dan, DO take it personally, but just don't pay any attention. I made a brand new micro-wax guide days ago and not a single person said thank you. But that's OK, there will always pop up someone some time who appreciates what you do.

Michael, there is a big difference between someone copying a product or (even worse) the Agus35 - and someone finding a solution to a need.

Michael Maier · November 17th, 2005, 07:05 PM

That is not what I meant Oscar.

Kurt August · November 17th, 2005, 08:06 PM

Oscar, perhaps you made a new tutorial, but I don't find it on your website. Where do I find it?

Dan Diaconu · November 17th, 2005, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Maier

For devices based on "stolen" ideas from P+S

Well, Michael, here is a small piece of the puzzle you seem to have missed:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/archive/i...p/t-25971.html
Where did I still this one from?
http://dandiaconu.com/gallery/album40/IMGA1582 and this one?
http://dandiaconu.com/gallery/album40/IMGA1489 and this one?
http://dandiaconu.com/gallery/FIRST-PICTURES/IMGA0660TU or this:
http://dandiaconu.com/gallery/Oustan...t/newfacefocus
Please don't ask for more! Your questions may hurt other people! Do some homework before biting the drum in public. You knew "for fact" that they were the inventors and subsequently, unable to recognize a major improvement (Patent Pending Michael !) over a cheap copy you posted the previous. I should be “insane” to attempt to patent “existing works” while reciting the Mini35 in the references, right? But,... no hard feelings here.

Dan Diaconu · November 17th, 2005, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oscar Spier

and not a single person said thank you

(cough, cough) LOL (cough, cough) hmm.. hmm.. sorry about that, but.... were you expecting it? ahhhhh, I know... you liked how much my work was praised around here and you wanted to share some of the...(cough, cough) glory?... (old fashion manners fella)

Where were we? Aaaah, I remember.....
Yeah... interesting topic anyway.

Kin Kwan · November 17th, 2005, 10:20 PM

Hey Dan, I'm still interested in all this, too. Please keep us posted on how your device goes.

November 17th, 2005, 01:13 PM	#16
Jimi Colteryahn Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rep. of Panama Posts: 34	Cheap, but would sell like hotcakes! Hello! I think the real issue here is, though most won't admit it, is that we want a Camera mount-Rod System, Matte box and Follow Focus for $400. We want the above with a slr lens adaptor for $700. We want the entire package with a 7" LCD with rechargeable battery, hood, mount for $1200 or better. You could prolly charge more if you included a hat that simply says "Director" on it. I mean like a $100 bucks more. Just no big company logo... Thanks! Jimi

November 17th, 2005, 04:09 PM	#20
Ben Winter Trustee Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 1,675 Images: 1	Dan, it's not that we don't believe you, it's that we don't believe you. We just don't understand why the Cavision rod system wouldn't work with the Letus. Can you provide us with pictures or details explaining why you say the Cavision won't work? Cavision provides the entire rod/support thing for $160 max, and I'm not understanding why an adjustable bracket coming up from the rods wouldn't be able to work with the Letus. ? For talking with three on the table, you talk pretty ambiguously. __________________ BenWinter.com

November 17th, 2005, 08:06 PM	#27
Kurt August Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 94	Solid Oscar, perhaps you made a new tutorial, but I don't find it on your website. Where do I find it?

November 17th, 2005, 02:00 PM	#18
Alfonso Rojas New Boot Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 13	Hello fellas, Cavision matteboxes pretty good? I'm a bit new to this and would like to get a Mattebox for my XL1. I'm kinda eager to find out prices for the 4x4 mattebox, do you guys have any idea? I'm still waiting on their response. Also, when I buy a mattebox, everything usually come with it? obs. need support rods, but is that it? Thanks much! -Alfonso

November 17th, 2005, 02:23 PM	#19
Dan Diaconu Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 804	You talk looking at pictures, I talk with three on the table.Take it from them (and make it work). Sorry to even try to help.

November 17th, 2005, 05:28 PM	#21
Marcus Marchesseault Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 1,961	Yall ain't lisnin! (whip crack echoes across the mesa) Dan's system addresses an issue that the Cavision can not. There are no pictures yet on Dan's site that show his complete system, only the rod support for his follow focus. We will need to wait and see how Dan has solved the problem. The issue I am talking about is LENS support. It is a simple matter to support the Letus35. It is another matter entirely to support a moving lens that needs to have the operator's hands touching it constantly. There is practically no place on some lenses to support their weight without getting in the way of some moving part. Even the filter flange moves when focus changes (it breaths in and out). Why do Letus35 owners need lens support? The plastic mount is not super strong and will warp or even break after extensive use of a long zoom lens. My zoom lens weighs about 1.5 pounds and is 8" long when in full telephoto. That is a lot of weight cantilevered out that far for a plastic mounting ring. Dan, don't take it personally and get frustrated. I don't think people understand how dynamic a problem lens support can be. If your system truly addresses the issue of lens support that does not prevent using the lens, they will see the merits of your product.

November 17th, 2005, 05:49 PM	#22
Jimi Colteryahn Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rep. of Panama Posts: 34	hello! Can the tripod foot design of telephoto lenses be used for what you need? The entire lens does not rotate, you can still place a foot. Then to prevent the lens from stressing your Letus, ziptie it to the foot in two places, kind of like a telephoto collar. Jimi

November 17th, 2005, 05:57 PM	#23
Dan Diaconu Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 804	Nothing personal. Marcus, you have the same problem I had a while ago. You asked for help and I offered help. The rest doesn't matter. No more pictures master Ben. Master Lee learned a good lesson to me. Buy Cavision. Marcus, if you still need help, email me.

November 17th, 2005, 06:58 PM	#25
Oscar Spierenburg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: (The Netherlands - Belgium) Posts: 735	Dan, DO take it personally, but just don't pay any attention. I made a brand new micro-wax guide days ago and not a single person said thank you. But that's OK, there will always pop up someone some time who appreciates what you do. Michael, there is a big difference between someone copying a product or (even worse) the Agus35 - and someone finding a solution to a need.

November 17th, 2005, 07:05 PM	#26
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	That is not what I meant Oscar.

November 17th, 2005, 10:20 PM	#30
Kin Kwan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 120	Hey Dan, I'm still interested in all this, too. Please keep us posted on how your device goes.