Things that are wrongly over/underpriced at DVinfo.net

Ben Winter · November 3rd, 2005, 01:52 PM

I've got two on my list:

Matte boxes, and follow focus systems.

I congradulate Dan on producing a great FF for a good price, but nobody's managed to machine a good-quality matte box (aluminum or what have you) for under $300. Anyone have anything to add to the list? I think we've crossed off "35mm adapter" :)

Eniola Akintoye · November 3rd, 2005, 02:38 PM

Yeah, you are right about that.
We need to start working on some other projects that are beneficial to all Indie movie makers.

Quyen Le · November 3rd, 2005, 03:18 PM

If you have any sketch/info on this, I will talk to a machine shop to see if they can do it. I wonder if how many people interested on buying this at under $300?

Quyen

Ben Winter · November 3rd, 2005, 03:40 PM

Quyen, If you can machine a matte box with french flags preferably rod-mounted for around $200, I'd buy it without thinking. $300 would make me mull it over for a really long time. I'll see if I can find you any information, but I do know that 16:9 would be preferrable.

A.J. Briones · November 3rd, 2005, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quyen Le

I wonder if how many people interested on buying this at under $300?

Quyen

consider this post my pre-order.

Martin Mayer · November 3rd, 2005, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Winter

I've got two on my list:

Matte boxes, and follow focus systems.

I congradulate Dan on producing a great FF for a good price, but nobody's managed to machine a good-quality matte box (aluminum or what have you) for under $300.

Well, there is Formatt in UK here, with a lens-mounted Matte box for around 100 GBP (c.170 USD). Opinions vary as to its pros and cons, but at that price, it's got to be one of the best value.

These come up on eBay regularly around that price.

Dan Diaconu · November 3rd, 2005, 05:49 PM

Before you go ahead and start building on your own “god knows what” just for the sake of cheap prices, check with me, please. I have been looking at matte boxes for some time and I might have a good idea what should be there and what not.

Specifically for SLR lenses but good for plain camcorders as well (keeping in mind the more and more popular 16:9 ratio).

Design for a percentage of the revenue. Plain and simple.

Look at "other interpretations" of the real things from big companies on the market. Cheaper than anything else. Good? You know better, and if you don't you'll learn paying. I have my hands full with FF, no time for MB, but at least, if something comes out of it, I am sure you’ll be happy.

BTW.
If anyone wants to SEE the gears and FF, I made a DVD (intended for customers only).
I can send it to you, so you know what to expect up front if you will need a FF ( and not just for the lower price).
Pay Pal me $5 (to cover the DVD, Pay Pal commission and postage) and decide for yourselves.

Michael Maier · November 3rd, 2005, 06:36 PM

$200 for a decent (not even talking good here) matte box is not a realistic price. We all want more affordable gear, but asking for quality at ridiculously low prices is just that, ridiculous. Just my opinion.

Dan Diaconu · November 3rd, 2005, 06:40 PM

Finally........ words of wisdom!

Ben Winter · November 3rd, 2005, 07:38 PM

I think $200-$300 is reasonable for a dumb bent piece of metal. I know you guys want rotating filter holders or whatnot, but all I want is the shade and the french flags with two holes in the bottom for rods. Get any higher and you might as well buy the Formatt FM 500.

Jimi Colteryahn · November 3rd, 2005, 11:03 PM

Matte box and Follow focus for under $300 and I'll buy two.
:) jimi

Jeff Phang · November 4th, 2005, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimi Colteryahn

Matte box and Follow focus for under $300 and I'll buy two.
:) jimi

Haha, agreed.

Stephen Buck · November 5th, 2005, 07:41 PM

How about camera jibs and cranes? I know there are lots of DIY plans floating around, but something more professional and sturdy would be really interesting. Most of the really good mid-range jibs (Jimmy Jib Lite $2700+, Porta-Jib $2700+, EZFX $1200+, etc.) seem to be way overpriced and require a number of expensive accessories to be truly useful.

Leo Mandy · November 6th, 2005, 08:59 AM

Cranes are easy to build, but very difficult to get just right. It is like Dan said, you can build all of these things at home cheaply, but if you want it perfect (and one with servos, tilting mechanisms etc) - it takes alot of time and effort (r & d) and therefore the person will not sell it very cheaply. But having said that, cranes for shots require about $50-100 worth of material for the aluminum, pulleys, tripod, wire, L bracket etc.
Most importantly is trying to do these things yourself. Like Oscar said, information should be freely available and that info should really enable us! Try it FIRST yourself, then seek another method if you can't do it.

Dan Diaconu · November 6th, 2005, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandy Leo

cranes for shots require about $50-100 worth of material for the aluminum, pulleys, tripod, wire, L bracket etc

While all the elements in a human body are worth about $7-8. Some price to pay.. hey?

November 3rd, 2005, 01:52 PM	#1
Ben Winter Trustee Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 1,675 Images: 1	Things that are wrongly over/underpriced I've got two on my list: Matte boxes, and follow focus systems. I congradulate Dan on producing a great FF for a good price, but nobody's managed to machine a good-quality matte box (aluminum or what have you) for under $300. Anyone have anything to add to the list? I think we've crossed off "35mm adapter" :) __________________ BenWinter.com

November 3rd, 2005, 03:18 PM	#3
Quyen Le Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 356	If you have any sketch/info on this, I will talk to a machine shop to see if they can do it. I wonder if how many people interested on buying this at under $300? Quyen __________________ Affordable Adapter http://www.adapterplace.com

November 3rd, 2005, 03:40 PM	#4
Ben Winter Trustee Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 1,675 Images: 1	Quyen, If you can machine a matte box with french flags preferably rod-mounted for around $200, I'd buy it without thinking. $300 would make me mull it over for a really long time. I'll see if I can find you any information, but I do know that 16:9 would be preferrable. __________________ BenWinter.com

November 3rd, 2005, 07:38 PM	#10
Ben Winter Trustee Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 1,675 Images: 1	I think $200-$300 is reasonable for a dumb bent piece of metal. I know you guys want rotating filter holders or whatnot, but all I want is the shade and the french flags with two holes in the bottom for rods. Get any higher and you might as well buy the Formatt FM 500. __________________ BenWinter.com

November 3rd, 2005, 11:03 PM	#11
Jimi Colteryahn Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rep. of Panama Posts: 34	hii Matte box and Follow focus for under $300 and I'll buy two. :) jimi

November 3rd, 2005, 02:38 PM	#2
Eniola Akintoye Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Duluth GA Posts: 238	Yeah, you are right about that. We need to start working on some other projects that are beneficial to all Indie movie makers.

November 3rd, 2005, 05:49 PM	#7
Dan Diaconu Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 804	Before you go ahead and start building on your own “god knows what” just for the sake of cheap prices, check with me, please. I have been looking at matte boxes for some time and I might have a good idea what should be there and what not. Specifically for SLR lenses but good for plain camcorders as well (keeping in mind the more and more popular 16:9 ratio). Design for a percentage of the revenue. Plain and simple. Look at "other interpretations" of the real things from big companies on the market. Cheaper than anything else. Good? You know better, and if you don't you'll learn paying. I have my hands full with FF, no time for MB, but at least, if something comes out of it, I am sure you’ll be happy. BTW. If anyone wants to SEE the gears and FF, I made a DVD (intended for customers only). I can send it to you, so you know what to expect up front if you will need a FF ( and not just for the lower price). Pay Pal me $5 (to cover the DVD, Pay Pal commission and postage) and decide for yourselves.

November 3rd, 2005, 06:36 PM	#8
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	$200 for a decent (not even talking good here) matte box is not a realistic price. We all want more affordable gear, but asking for quality at ridiculously low prices is just that, ridiculous. Just my opinion.

November 3rd, 2005, 06:40 PM	#9
Dan Diaconu Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 804	Finally........ words of wisdom!

November 5th, 2005, 07:41 PM	#13
Stephen Buck New Boot Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7	How about camera jibs and cranes? I know there are lots of DIY plans floating around, but something more professional and sturdy would be really interesting. Most of the really good mid-range jibs (Jimmy Jib Lite $2700+, Porta-Jib $2700+, EZFX $1200+, etc.) seem to be way overpriced and require a number of expensive accessories to be truly useful.

November 6th, 2005, 08:59 AM	#14
Leo Mandy Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 749	Cranes are easy to build, but very difficult to get just right. It is like Dan said, you can build all of these things at home cheaply, but if you want it perfect (and one with servos, tilting mechanisms etc) - it takes alot of time and effort (r & d) and therefore the person will not sell it very cheaply. But having said that, cranes for shots require about $50-100 worth of material for the aluminum, pulleys, tripod, wire, L bracket etc. Most importantly is trying to do these things yourself. Like Oscar said, information should be freely available and that info should really enable us! Try it FIRST yourself, then seek another method if you can't do it.