Anybody knows how fast the mini35 lens is? at DVinfo.net

Michael Maier · October 27th, 2005, 06:47 PM

I know it has no aperture numbers, only 1-7 steps. But anybody knows how fast it actually is?

Chris Hurd · October 27th, 2005, 07:59 PM

The Mini35 doesn't include a lens... it's just a converter... so it all depends on which lens you choose to put in front of it. You decide how fast of a lens you need, and put it on the Mini35. Unless I'm misunderstanding your question?

Michael Maier · October 27th, 2005, 11:20 PM

I think you misunderstood it Chris. I was talking about the included relay lens. Thanks.

Dietmar Zonewicz · October 28th, 2005, 01:10 AM

He likes to know how fast the relay lens for the XL-1/2 really is.

dietmar

Michael Maier · October 28th, 2005, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dietmar Zonewicz

He likes to know how fast the relay lens for the XL-1/2 really is.

dietmar

Yep, the relay lens for the XL1/2 and HD100. Thanks.

Chris Hurd · October 28th, 2005, 08:55 AM

Ah. Well we might need Guy Genin for that then. Sorry for the confusion,

Guy Genin · October 28th, 2005, 02:38 PM

A quick test of one XL relay shows about 2.8

Michael Maier · October 28th, 2005, 04:23 PM

Thanks.
f2.8, that's all? Sometime ago there were rumours it was a f0.95 lens. I at least thought it was a fast lens. 2.8 isn't really fast, more like standard, or even slow in video terms. I didn't think 2.8 was fast enough, specially with the 300 series, where you need to keep it as open as possible to avoid seeing the GG.
Is the HD100's the same relay just with a different mount, meaning also 2.8?
I'm seriously considering buying a Mini35, but I'm not sure if I want to go for a new one or a used 300 series yet.

Charles Papert · October 29th, 2005, 10:47 AM

The relay lens comes after the ground glass; stopping down the relay is not the same as stopping down the taking lens. You can stop down the relay as much as you want without seeing the ground glass.

Michael Maier · October 29th, 2005, 11:11 AM

But since the Mini35 loses so much light, wouldn't it need a fast relay lens to compensate for the lost light? I always heard the relay was a very fast lens, but 2.8 don’t seem to be the case.

John Jay · October 29th, 2005, 06:12 PM

F2.8 is more likely to do with the limitations of macro photography than low light issues.

for example; at F1.6 you would see a circular central zone of sharp focus compared to the edges of the gate, which would be very soft (no good for 1/3 rule of composition), so F2.8 is a compromise; best overall sharpness would be F4 and smaller aperture

October 27th, 2005, 06:47 PM	#1
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	Anybody knows how fast the mini35 lens is? I know it has no aperture numbers, only 1-7 steps. But anybody knows how fast it actually is?

October 27th, 2005, 07:59 PM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	The Mini35 doesn't include a lens... it's just a converter... so it all depends on which lens you choose to put in front of it. You decide how fast of a lens you need, and put it on the Mini35. Unless I'm misunderstanding your question? __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 28th, 2005, 08:55 AM	#6
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Ah. Well we might need Guy Genin for that then. Sorry for the confusion, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 28th, 2005, 02:38 PM	#7
Guy Genin Sponsor: ZGC Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mountain Lakes, NJ. Posts: 36	A quick test of one XL relay shows about 2.8 __________________ Guy Genin ZGC Technical support

October 29th, 2005, 10:47 AM	#9
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	The relay lens comes after the ground glass; stopping down the relay is not the same as stopping down the taking lens. You can stop down the relay as much as you want without seeing the ground glass. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

October 27th, 2005, 11:20 PM	#3
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	I think you misunderstood it Chris. I was talking about the included relay lens. Thanks.

October 28th, 2005, 01:10 AM	#4
Dietmar Zonewicz Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Esslingen & Frankfurt, Germany Posts: 47	He likes to know how fast the relay lens for the XL-1/2 really is. dietmar

October 28th, 2005, 04:23 PM	#8
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	Thanks. f2.8, that's all? Sometime ago there were rumours it was a f0.95 lens. I at least thought it was a fast lens. 2.8 isn't really fast, more like standard, or even slow in video terms. I didn't think 2.8 was fast enough, specially with the 300 series, where you need to keep it as open as possible to avoid seeing the GG. Is the HD100's the same relay just with a different mount, meaning also 2.8? I'm seriously considering buying a Mini35, but I'm not sure if I want to go for a new one or a used 300 series yet.

October 29th, 2005, 11:11 AM	#10
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	But since the Mini35 loses so much light, wouldn't it need a fast relay lens to compensate for the lost light? I always heard the relay was a very fast lens, but 2.8 don’t seem to be the case.

October 29th, 2005, 06:12 PM	#11
John Jay Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: US & THEM Posts: 827	F2.8 is more likely to do with the limitations of macro photography than low light issues. for example; at F1.6 you would see a circular central zone of sharp focus compared to the edges of the gate, which would be very soft (no good for 1/3 rule of composition), so F2.8 is a compromise; best overall sharpness would be F4 and smaller aperture __________________ John Jay Beware *PLUGGER-BYTES*