NEW Micro35 images and footage now available at DVinfo.net

Brian Valente · May 22nd, 2005, 04:33 PM

Hey All,

We are wrapping up shooting with the newest micro35 Cinema Lens Adapter. We will be posting new stills, footage, etc. but for now you can see the adapter with the Sony Z1 HD Cam:

http://www.redrockmicro.com/micro35_hd.htm

Stay tuned to this forum for updates including footage, stills, etc.

Brian

Brian Valente · May 22nd, 2005, 06:22 PM

Here is the link to the sample HD footage (it is the last one on the samples page titled "Dancing"):

http://www.redrockmicro.com/samples.html

Couple of things to note:

1. shot at twilight

2. There is a lot of artifacting from the heavy HD compression (example; green backgrounds look almost posterized to me). I think it may be a Vegas thing - we're checking it out.

3. the little girl bumped her head - it's a butterfly bandaid

Cheers

Brian

Brian Valente · May 22nd, 2005, 06:23 PM

Finally, here are some stills from the footage:

http://www.redrockmicro.com/micro35_hd_stills.htm

Cheers

Brian

Kyle Edwards · May 22nd, 2005, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Valente

2. There is a lot of artifacting from the heavy HD compression (example; green backgrounds look almost posterized to me). I think it may be a Vegas thing - we're checking it out.

That effect could be a combo of two things. One being the portion of the footage that is out of focus and converting it to Cineform HD (which I would guess is your method). A good way to make sure it isn't from the conversion is to check out the original MPG2 file on your computer and also export the footage to a monitor.

Otherwise, looking great. I just called up my buddy after viewing that footage so we can start building our's on Tuesday. We use a FX1 and can't wait to try out the Micro35 on it. We have all the parts needed to start minus one.

Dan Diaconu · May 22nd, 2005, 07:57 PM

Brian,
I have seen the clip. Looks OK but quite a bit of light loss for that time of the day... what aperture was it shoot at? 2.8? Also the stills from footage... could you explain how a poor 720/480 (webcam) like this:
http://dandiaconu.com/gallery/album12/felix5?full=1
aparently shows more details than a 1280/720 frame from HD footage such as this?:
http://www.redrockmicro.com/micro35_hd_stills.htm

The hd frame should have had three times more details (I think) and the hair looks a bit soft (to me)

Was it the 28-70 lens? or was it not focused properly?
How about a rezolution chart? Frames from footage. That will clear the issue.
BTW, the lens used on the cat footage was 1.4/35 Nikkor. (shoot at 1.4!)

Brian Valente · May 22nd, 2005, 08:17 PM

Hey Dan,

These images are reduced about 4x, which would explain the resolution loss. We had a couple of challenges on this shoot - one of them unfortunately was a couple of missing screws (you can see it one of the stills), which may have contributed to some focus issues.

[updated]
Here are some details regarding the shoot:

nikkor 105mm 2.5 lens

The Hd cam was set to F5.2

8PM CST

Gain was on 'H'

Kyle Edwards · May 22nd, 2005, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Valente

These images are reduced about 4x, which would explain the resolution loss.

That wouldn't decrease detail and make the picture soft though. And I was thinking more about the area of green you were concerned about. I highly doubt it's like that in the original frames from the Z1U. Would it be possible to have an original MPG2 screenshot posted?

Brian Valente · May 23rd, 2005, 12:01 AM

The original footage is still across the country, so I hope to get that soon. Jamey - who has it right now - says he doesn't see this on the original footage, as you suspected. One thing we also learned is HD post is quite different as well.

Brian

Kyle Edwards · May 23rd, 2005, 08:29 PM

Which can lead us to think it's the WMV compression.

Brian Valente · May 23rd, 2005, 08:43 PM

Yeah - that's a possibility. We are going to look for someone who is more skilled at HD post and see what they can do.

Thanks

Jose di Cani · May 27th, 2005, 04:54 PM

one thing. What a shamefull marketing strategy from the micro35. The pics are really not inspiring. LOoks cheap to me and doesn't make me wanna investigate the site.

Brian Valente · May 30th, 2005, 10:53 PM

Hey all,

We shot some more footage this weekend - we learned a lot from our previous (mis)adventures with the Z1, and managed to turn off the most problematic settings.

Here's some new HD footage of the micro35 with the Z1U:

http://www.redrockmicro.com/footage/...adingSmall.mov

Production notes:

Shot between 6-7 PM
Zony Z1U at 60i.
Two lenses: primary is a nikon 50mm f. 1.4, secondary a nikon 85mm f. 1.8
Apertures: 35mm lens was left wide open. Z1 aperture ranged from 3 to 6.2

No post other than the 180 degree flip.

I also uploaded a sample uncompressed tif (it's big - around 6MB) at:

http://www.redrockmicro.com/footage....rdenstill1.tif

Feedback welcome.

Shawn Murphy · May 31st, 2005, 01:59 AM

The coorect link for the .tif image is:

http://www.redrockmicro.com/footage/...rdenstill1.tif

Jose di Cani · May 31st, 2005, 05:47 PM

shawn, thanks for the links, man. Watching them now......let me see....NIce photo there. VEry warm and real. The video is amazing. Who is the lady at the end. I want to shoot a video with her on a beach in Spain (galicia). NIce warm colours and you can see everything is coming together. Very smooth. Nice.

Brian Valente · May 31st, 2005, 07:24 PM

Jose - that is my wife. I will ask her if she is willing to shoot in Spain with you, though I'm not sure how I would feel about that! Plus she's SAG, so it'll cost you :)

Also a couple other high res stills for your consideration (from a different part of the shoot):

http://www.redrockmicro.com/footage/Z1U/bottles.tif
http://www.redrockmicro.com/footage/Z1U/flowers.tif

Brian

May 22nd, 2005, 04:33 PM	#1
Brian Valente Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 293	NEW Micro35 images and footage now available Hey All, We are wrapping up shooting with the newest micro35 Cinema Lens Adapter. We will be posting new stills, footage, etc. but for now you can see the adapter with the Sony Z1 HD Cam: http://www.redrockmicro.com/micro35_hd.htm Stay tuned to this forum for updates including footage, stills, etc. Brian __________________ ========================== Brian Valente Redrock Microsystems

May 22nd, 2005, 06:22 PM	#2
Brian Valente Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 293	Sample micro35 HD footage Here is the link to the sample HD footage (it is the last one on the samples page titled "Dancing"): http://www.redrockmicro.com/samples.html Couple of things to note: 1. shot at twilight 2. There is a lot of artifacting from the heavy HD compression (example; green backgrounds look almost posterized to me). I think it may be a Vegas thing - we're checking it out. 3. the little girl bumped her head - it's a butterfly bandaid Cheers Brian __________________ ========================== Brian Valente Redrock Microsystems

May 22nd, 2005, 06:23 PM	#3
Brian Valente Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 293	Sample micro 35 stills Finally, here are some stills from the footage: http://www.redrockmicro.com/micro35_hd_stills.htm Cheers Brian __________________ ========================== Brian Valente Redrock Microsystems

May 22nd, 2005, 08:17 PM	#6
Brian Valente Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 293	Hey Dan, These images are reduced about 4x, which would explain the resolution loss. We had a couple of challenges on this shoot - one of them unfortunately was a couple of missing screws (you can see it one of the stills), which may have contributed to some focus issues. [updated] Here are some details regarding the shoot: nikkor 105mm 2.5 lens The Hd cam was set to F5.2 8PM CST Gain was on 'H' __________________ ========================== Brian Valente Redrock Microsystems Last edited by Brian Valente; May 23rd, 2005 at 03:10 AM.

May 23rd, 2005, 12:01 AM	#8
Brian Valente Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 293	The original footage is still across the country, so I hope to get that soon. Jamey - who has it right now - says he doesn't see this on the original footage, as you suspected. One thing we also learned is HD post is quite different as well. Brian __________________ ========================== Brian Valente Redrock Microsystems Last edited by Brian Valente; May 23rd, 2005 at 03:12 AM.

May 22nd, 2005, 07:57 PM	#5
Dan Diaconu Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 804	Brian, I have seen the clip. Looks OK but quite a bit of light loss for that time of the day... what aperture was it shoot at? 2.8? Also the stills from footage... could you explain how a poor 720/480 (webcam) like this: http://dandiaconu.com/gallery/album12/felix5?full=1 aparently shows more details than a 1280/720 frame from HD footage such as this?: http://www.redrockmicro.com/micro35_hd_stills.htm The hd frame should have had three times more details (I think) and the hair looks a bit soft (to me) Was it the 28-70 lens? or was it not focused properly? How about a rezolution chart? Frames from footage. That will clear the issue. BTW, the lens used on the cat footage was 1.4/35 Nikkor. (shoot at 1.4!)

May 23rd, 2005, 08:29 PM	#9
Kyle Edwards Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI, NY Posts: 274	Which can lead us to think it's the WMV compression.

May 23rd, 2005, 08:43 PM	#10
Brian Valente Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 293	Yeah - that's a possibility. We are going to look for someone who is more skilled at HD post and see what they can do. Thanks __________________ ========================== Brian Valente Redrock Microsystems

May 27th, 2005, 04:54 PM	#11
Jose di Cani Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Holland, Europe Posts: 214	one thing. What a shamefull marketing strategy from the micro35. The pics are really not inspiring. LOoks cheap to me and doesn't make me wanna investigate the site.

May 30th, 2005, 10:53 PM	#12
Brian Valente Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 293	new micro35 footage redux Hey all, We shot some more footage this weekend - we learned a lot from our previous (mis)adventures with the Z1, and managed to turn off the most problematic settings. Here's some new HD footage of the micro35 with the Z1U: http://www.redrockmicro.com/footage/...adingSmall.mov Production notes: Shot between 6-7 PM Zony Z1U at 60i. Two lenses: primary is a nikon 50mm f. 1.4, secondary a nikon 85mm f. 1.8 Apertures: 35mm lens was left wide open. Z1 aperture ranged from 3 to 6.2 No post other than the 180 degree flip. I also uploaded a sample uncompressed tif (it's big - around 6MB) at: http://www.redrockmicro.com/footage....rdenstill1.tif Feedback welcome. __________________ ========================== Brian Valente Redrock Microsystems

May 31st, 2005, 01:59 AM	#13
Shawn Murphy Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle WA USA Posts: 125	The coorect link for the .tif image is: http://www.redrockmicro.com/footage/...rdenstill1.tif

May 31st, 2005, 05:47 PM	#14
Jose di Cani Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Holland, Europe Posts: 214	shawn, thanks for the links, man. Watching them now......let me see....NIce photo there. VEry warm and real. The video is amazing. Who is the lady at the end. I want to shoot a video with her on a beach in Spain (galicia). NIce warm colours and you can see everything is coming together. Very smooth. Nice.

May 31st, 2005, 07:24 PM	#15
Brian Valente Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 293	Jose - that is my wife. I will ask her if she is willing to shoot in Spain with you, though I'm not sure how I would feel about that! Plus she's SAG, so it'll cost you :) Also a couple other high res stills for your consideration (from a different part of the shoot): http://www.redrockmicro.com/footage/Z1U/bottles.tif http://www.redrockmicro.com/footage/Z1U/flowers.tif Brian __________________ ========================== Brian Valente Redrock Microsystems