Mini35 Samples online at DVinfo.net

Dan McCain · May 20th, 2005, 09:26 AM

I have recently uploaded samples shot with the Mini35/DVX100

http://www.danmccainproductions.com/demo_reel.html

DAN McCAIN
Owner Operator
Atlanta, GA
dan@danmccainproductions.com

Jay Dee · May 21st, 2005, 06:05 AM

those are some nice samples...

I saw that you used Nikon lenses on several occasions; could you tell us which ones you use?

JD

Dan McCain · May 22nd, 2005, 08:44 PM

I use: Tamron 18-35 zoom, nikkor 24mm, nikkor 35mm, nikkor 50mm, nikkor 85 and tonika 80- 200 zoom.

Jay Dee · May 23rd, 2005, 03:29 AM

Don't you get too much breathing with those zooms?

I'm about to get a set of nikon lenses together for an adapter (not the mini35 but the Movietube, which is about to drop in about 2 weeks) and i'm trying to find out which ones are good and which ones aren't.

JD

Dan McCain · May 24th, 2005, 11:59 AM

I tested the Tamron for breathing, and did not notice any problem. The 85mm prime lens does breathe a bit. You may want to test different lenses, or shoot with cine lenses.

Jay Dee · May 24th, 2005, 02:02 PM

I will most definately be shooting with cine lenses as well, but I want to own a set of cheaper still lenses for smaller budget shoots, test shoots and spontaneous projects.

I'm also going to test some sigma lenses as they've got some interesting ones.

JD

Dan McCain · May 24th, 2005, 02:15 PM

Another thing to look for is light distribution especially with the zoom lenses. On the long lens the light falls off in the bottom corner and looks like a vingette. Thankfully the falloff happens under the underscan so it isnt a huge issue.

Steven Williams · June 10th, 2005, 03:56 AM

those shots are really impressive, but i can see clearly the images you used to demonstrate the use of the mini 35, it appears you had additional fill key and back lights in your scene, also your framing and action for the scenes were different. so in my opinion its not a true comparison, also the image looks very diffused and soft, maybe some de interlacing used ?
still impressive though.

Dan McCain · June 10th, 2005, 07:03 AM

Actually we shot this comparision with two cameras side by side. This is the reason that the framing is different because one camera is slightly off axis. Look very carefully at the bar tenders arm in the back ground when the charater raises the cigarette, you will see the movements match. No soften or sharpen filters were added during production or in post. The shots were given to me by the editor slightly color corrected, so i tweked the mini35 version a bit (crushed the blacks). However, since the mini35 is not a color enhancement system, this comparision is meant to show the difference in depth of field, and lens characteristics.

On the demo DVD, I feed the two streams on seperate video tracks so the user can toggle between the two streams for a real time comparision. Im sure someone would know how to do this in flash etc., and if they they would like to engeneer this I would gladly supply the footage.

Michael Totten · July 19th, 2005, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Dee

Don't you get too much breathing with those zooms?

I'm about to get a set of nikon lenses together for an adapter (not the mini35 but the Movietube, which is about to drop in about 2 weeks) and i'm trying to find out which ones are good and which ones aren't.

JD

Does anyone have any footage shot with movietube? Has it been released yet?

Jay Dee · July 19th, 2005, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Totten

Does anyone have any footage shot with movietube? Has it been released yet?

It has been released; I own one of the first batch of 20.

For availability and rental houses you might want to get in touch with the people who make it: info@movietube.com

I personally don't have any footage available, but this clip was shot with a FX1 on a Movietube with Arri Ultra primes by German DP Christopher Haering:
http://www.ch71.de/clips/glashaus-version02.mov
(I saw it on another forum)

Dan McCain · July 19th, 2005, 04:50 PM

What is your opinion of the Movie Tube compared to the Mini35? What are the differences in terms of price, picture quality and other factors?

Jay Dee · July 20th, 2005, 03:18 AM

I haven't worked with the Mini35 but the things I like about the Movietube are:
1) no moving GG means no noise, no vibration, no need for extra power
2) you don't need a $1500 adapter for each type of camera you want to use (but you can't use the XL1(s)/XL2... which isn't a problem for me)
3) the basic setup is cheaper than the Mini35 and soon there will be extra add-ons available (shoulder-rest, ENG viewfinder connection,...)

I can't compare the consturction of both products but the movietube is well-built and I assume the Mini35 is very well built too.

I think the picture-quality of both products is equally good.

JD

Dan McCain · August 16th, 2005, 11:21 AM

http://www.danmccainproductions.com/demo_reel.html
New Samples have been added since the orginal post, and are now available for viewing.

Charles Papert · August 16th, 2005, 12:15 PM

For those interested in seeing what the new JVC HD100 camera can do with the Mini35, you might be interested in this article I wrote that includes frame grabs and clips:

http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/jvcp...ini35test1.php

May 20th, 2005, 09:26 AM	#1
Dan McCain Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 65	Mini35 Samples online I have recently uploaded samples shot with the Mini35/DVX100 http://www.danmccainproductions.com/demo_reel.html DAN McCAIN Owner Operator Atlanta, GA dan@danmccainproductions.com

August 16th, 2005, 11:21 AM	#14
Dan McCain Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 65	Updated Samples http://www.danmccainproductions.com/demo_reel.html New Samples have been added since the orginal post, and are now available for viewing. __________________ Dan McCain Owner/Operator Mini35 Package Atlanta, GA www.danmccainproductions.com

August 16th, 2005, 12:15 PM	#15
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	For those interested in seeing what the new JVC HD100 camera can do with the Mini35, you might be interested in this article I wrote that includes frame grabs and clips: http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/jvcp...ini35test1.php __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

May 21st, 2005, 06:05 AM	#2
Jay Dee Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: europe Posts: 32	those are some nice samples... I saw that you used Nikon lenses on several occasions; could you tell us which ones you use? JD

May 22nd, 2005, 08:44 PM	#3
Dan McCain Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 65	I use: Tamron 18-35 zoom, nikkor 24mm, nikkor 35mm, nikkor 50mm, nikkor 85 and tonika 80- 200 zoom.

May 23rd, 2005, 03:29 AM	#4
Jay Dee Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: europe Posts: 32	Don't you get too much breathing with those zooms? I'm about to get a set of nikon lenses together for an adapter (not the mini35 but the Movietube, which is about to drop in about 2 weeks) and i'm trying to find out which ones are good and which ones aren't. JD

May 24th, 2005, 11:59 AM	#5
Dan McCain Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 65	I tested the Tamron for breathing, and did not notice any problem. The 85mm prime lens does breathe a bit. You may want to test different lenses, or shoot with cine lenses.

May 24th, 2005, 02:02 PM	#6
Jay Dee Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: europe Posts: 32	I will most definately be shooting with cine lenses as well, but I want to own a set of cheaper still lenses for smaller budget shoots, test shoots and spontaneous projects. I'm also going to test some sigma lenses as they've got some interesting ones. JD

May 24th, 2005, 02:15 PM	#7
Dan McCain Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 65	Another thing to look for is light distribution especially with the zoom lenses. On the long lens the light falls off in the bottom corner and looks like a vingette. Thankfully the falloff happens under the underscan so it isnt a huge issue.

June 10th, 2005, 03:56 AM	#8
Steven Williams Tourist Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4	those shots are really impressive, but i can see clearly the images you used to demonstrate the use of the mini 35, it appears you had additional fill key and back lights in your scene, also your framing and action for the scenes were different. so in my opinion its not a true comparison, also the image looks very diffused and soft, maybe some de interlacing used ? still impressive though.

June 10th, 2005, 07:03 AM	#9
Dan McCain Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 65	Actually we shot this comparision with two cameras side by side. This is the reason that the framing is different because one camera is slightly off axis. Look very carefully at the bar tenders arm in the back ground when the charater raises the cigarette, you will see the movements match. No soften or sharpen filters were added during production or in post. The shots were given to me by the editor slightly color corrected, so i tweked the mini35 version a bit (crushed the blacks). However, since the mini35 is not a color enhancement system, this comparision is meant to show the difference in depth of field, and lens characteristics. On the demo DVD, I feed the two streams on seperate video tracks so the user can toggle between the two streams for a real time comparision. Im sure someone would know how to do this in flash etc., and if they they would like to engeneer this I would gladly supply the footage.

July 19th, 2005, 04:50 PM	#12
Dan McCain Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 65	What is your opinion of the Movie Tube compared to the Mini35? What are the differences in terms of price, picture quality and other factors?

July 20th, 2005, 03:18 AM	#13
Jay Dee Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: europe Posts: 32	I haven't worked with the Mini35 but the things I like about the Movietube are: 1) no moving GG means no noise, no vibration, no need for extra power 2) you don't need a $1500 adapter for each type of camera you want to use (but you can't use the XL1(s)/XL2... which isn't a problem for me) 3) the basic setup is cheaper than the Mini35 and soon there will be extra add-ons available (shoulder-rest, ENG viewfinder connection,...) I can't compare the consturction of both products but the movietube is well-built and I assume the Mini35 is very well built too. I think the picture-quality of both products is equally good. JD