Condensers

Leo Mandy · May 8th, 2005, 08:44 AM

Ok, after many many months of frustration, successes and challenges - I am finally going after the condenser to evenly spread out the hotspot. What should I look for when getting one of these optical masterpieces?

Radek Svoboda · May 8th, 2005, 09:06 AM

You should get something with least 20% larger diameter than diagonal of the image on ground glass, focal length maybe 75 mm, then find what distance to camera will give you most even ilumination. I haven't built mine yet, just read these threads. I'm sure others will give better information.

Radek

Leo Mandy · May 8th, 2005, 07:13 PM

Thanks Radek,

Also, since I am sticking another piece of glass in the mix, will it increase warping, abberations, colour distortions etc?

Daves Spi · May 9th, 2005, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandy Leo

Thanks Radek,

Also, since I am sticking another piece of glass in the mix, will it increase warping, abberations, colour distortions etc?

I have curious experience... I took piece of glass (in fact some low quality light condenser from photo enlarger) and if I looked through it, it was terrible. Very strong abberation and warping. But If I used it together with Nikon GG, all these bugs were gone... No color abberation (Ok, very small in fact, but I think it caused by camera), no warping, no vignetting. I shoot 36x24mm and take a look :

http://web.datriware.com/gfx_photos/articles/p878.jpg
http://web.datriware.com/gfx_photos/articles/p873.jpg
http://web.datriware.com/gfx_photos/articles/p877.jpg

Leo Mandy · May 9th, 2005, 04:18 PM

That looks great Dave! I can't see any abberation at all - I just don't want to spend money on a condenser and find out it sucks. But I guess trial and errors is the only way

Andy Gordon · May 10th, 2005, 08:06 PM

I've ordered a couple of condensers to try out, I was just wondering where things should be positioned. I'm guessing the condenser has to be located on the 35mm lens focal plane, then the position of the GG is not critical because the light coming out of the condenser is parallel? What difference does the focal length of the condenser make?

Cheers
Andy

Daves Spi · May 11th, 2005, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Gordon

I've ordered a couple of condensers to try out, I was just wondering where things should be positioned. I'm guessing the condenser has to be located on the 35mm lens focal plane, then the position of the GG is not critical because the light coming out of the condenser is parallel? What difference does the focal length of the condenser make?

Cheers
Andy

Hard to say... my setup was :

Primary lens - GG - condenser - DV camera

Oscar Spierenburg · May 11th, 2005, 07:03 AM

My setup was
Primary lens - condenser - GG - DV camera
That works very good too, I use the same condenser from the photo enlarger the Daves are talking about, I mean Daves is talking about.

Daves Spi · May 11th, 2005, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oscar Spier

My setup was
Primary lens - condenser - GG - DV camera
That works very good too, I use the same condenser from the photo enlarger the Daves are talking about, I mean Daves is talking about.

Yeah, we are using the same :)

Leo Mandy · May 11th, 2005, 04:03 PM

I would have thought the condenser in front of the GG like this :
action >> condenser >> GG >> camera
because this would distribute the light evenly before it hit the GG, but I haven't got one yet, so I could be wrong.

Also I noticed a few photoenlargers on Ebay and they are plano-convex glass lens - isn't there some distortion because of this? I get blurring around the edges and fisheyes with some of my macro that I have found because of the convex shape - how can you guys fix that?

Oscar Spierenburg · May 11th, 2005, 04:23 PM

I don't know, but most condensers somehow only affect the light and doesn't distort the image. You can also look in other kind of projectors.
The way you describe it: action >> condenser >> GG >> camera
That's the way I used my condenser. You've seen my footage, it has a good enough spread of light. You also get a brighter image.

Leo Mandy · May 11th, 2005, 04:44 PM

I agree with you Oscar, you get some great images and the light spread is even. I am going to look into buying a cheap plano-convex to see if it works.

Also, how is the anamorphic prism system going? Haven't seen any new footage in while!

Oscar Spierenburg · May 11th, 2005, 05:34 PM

A cheap lens could work just fine I think. Good luck.
Also keep in mind that a good light spread also depends very much on the lens on the adapter. I have a 135mm lens which reduces the hotspot completely, but a 50mm lens that gives annoying dark edges. I don't really know what causes the difference. Maybe bigger lens diameters.

Everything works pretty good with the anamorphic lenses, thanks. I'll post new footage when I have something useful.

May 8th, 2005, 08:44 AM	#1
Leo Mandy Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 749	Condensers - what do I look for? Ok, after many many months of frustration, successes and challenges - I am finally going after the condenser to evenly spread out the hotspot. What should I look for when getting one of these optical masterpieces?

May 10th, 2005, 08:06 PM	#6
Andy Gordon Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Perth WA Posts: 103	Condenser position? I've ordered a couple of condensers to try out, I was just wondering where things should be positioned. I'm guessing the condenser has to be located on the 35mm lens focal plane, then the position of the GG is not critical because the light coming out of the condenser is parallel? What difference does the focal length of the condenser make? Cheers Andy

May 8th, 2005, 09:06 AM	#2
Radek Svoboda Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 500	You should get something with least 20% larger diameter than diagonal of the image on ground glass, focal length maybe 75 mm, then find what distance to camera will give you most even ilumination. I haven't built mine yet, just read these threads. I'm sure others will give better information. Radek

May 8th, 2005, 07:13 PM	#3
Leo Mandy Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 749	Thanks Radek, Also, since I am sticking another piece of glass in the mix, will it increase warping, abberations, colour distortions etc?

May 9th, 2005, 04:18 PM	#5
Leo Mandy Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 749	That looks great Dave! I can't see any abberation at all - I just don't want to spend money on a condenser and find out it sucks. But I guess trial and errors is the only way

May 11th, 2005, 07:03 AM	#8
Oscar Spierenburg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: (The Netherlands - Belgium) Posts: 735	My setup was Primary lens - condenser - GG - DV camera That works very good too, I use the same condenser from the photo enlarger the Daves are talking about, I mean Daves is talking about.

May 11th, 2005, 04:03 PM	#10
Leo Mandy Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 749	I would have thought the condenser in front of the GG like this : action >> condenser >> GG >> camera because this would distribute the light evenly before it hit the GG, but I haven't got one yet, so I could be wrong. Also I noticed a few photoenlargers on Ebay and they are plano-convex glass lens - isn't there some distortion because of this? I get blurring around the edges and fisheyes with some of my macro that I have found because of the convex shape - how can you guys fix that?

May 11th, 2005, 04:23 PM	#11
Oscar Spierenburg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: (The Netherlands - Belgium) Posts: 735	I don't know, but most condensers somehow only affect the light and doesn't distort the image. You can also look in other kind of projectors. The way you describe it: action >> condenser >> GG >> camera That's the way I used my condenser. You've seen my footage, it has a good enough spread of light. You also get a brighter image.

May 11th, 2005, 04:44 PM	#12
Leo Mandy Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 749	I agree with you Oscar, you get some great images and the light spread is even. I am going to look into buying a cheap plano-convex to see if it works. Also, how is the anamorphic prism system going? Haven't seen any new footage in while!

May 11th, 2005, 05:34 PM	#13
Oscar Spierenburg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: (The Netherlands - Belgium) Posts: 735	A cheap lens could work just fine I think. Good luck. Also keep in mind that a good light spread also depends very much on the lens on the adapter. I have a 135mm lens which reduces the hotspot completely, but a 50mm lens that gives annoying dark edges. I don't really know what causes the difference. Maybe bigger lens diameters. Everything works pretty good with the anamorphic lenses, thanks. I'll post new footage when I have something useful.