Reversed image upside down?

James Hurd · March 11th, 2005, 07:50 PM

Yep, wireless will certainly be a great option.

The equipment that will be released in 06 will be top notch stuff at an Indie price point. That's all I can say! I've got to get back to the micro35!!

Thanks Joel!

james
www.micro35.com

Brian Valente · March 21st, 2005, 10:15 AM

I put in a request to the guys over at DV Rack to include a "flip 180" button on their product. They said it sounds simple, so if you own or are interested in DV Rack, put in the request as well, and maybe we can get them to include this in the next release of their software.

www.seriousmagic.com

Brad Phillips · March 22nd, 2005, 10:33 PM

I may have found a way to flip the XL2 view without switching the whole assembly to the other side.

I had to replace my LCD screen the other day, when I got inside I noticed you could just flip the entire LCD and circuit board 180. It should work, my only concern would be if the wires are long enough. I will be trying it when I get my unit from james.

Andrew C. Stewart · March 23rd, 2005, 05:48 PM

I'm curious how best to configure the XL2 with James adapter.

Jon Laing · March 24th, 2005, 02:06 PM

Hey guys,

Im brand new to this forum, have only moderate experience with dv as of now (in excess of two years), and a limited knowlege of physics but the solution to the flipped image problem seems pretty simple to me.

Now im not too keen on how the adapter works, all i kno is that there is a lens mount, a ground glass, and a macro adapter, i may even be wrong there. Now, if one were to put an independant single convex lens inbetween the ground glass and the macro adapter (at the apropriate focal distance of course), wouldn't that flip the image back around to be right side up?

Daniel Skubal · March 24th, 2005, 02:29 PM

That's what is being said on dvxuser.com, it should work, but I don't know if that will have an affect on the ground glass as far as placement and distance from the glass and the camera lens. In theory though, it should work.

Aaron Shaw · March 24th, 2005, 04:33 PM

Jon,

That would absolutely work! It makes me wonder why no one has made an adapter that does this yet. The P&S guys could cut out a lot of expense by going this route (no prisms).

I suppose it's probably due to need for calculations and most likely custom glass.

I've thought of doing this myself before but nearly every stock lens has too long a focal length for this to be practical.

Radek Svoboda · April 6th, 2005, 03:27 PM

What is the fix?

Daniel Skubal · April 6th, 2005, 03:59 PM

It's not right/left flipping, only up/down, and it can easily be fixed in post. I believe the pro version is going to have a prism system in it so it eliminates that problem

James Hurd · April 6th, 2005, 04:04 PM

There are ways to 'rotate' the image on the camera and on the monitor during production.

Brian Valente · April 6th, 2005, 05:53 PM

I may have mentioned this before but I am pitching the guys over at DVRack to include a 180 degree switch on their field monitor. that would completely solve the problem and of course DV Rack is a great product anyways.

It IS a 180 degree rotation problem, right?

Steven Fokkinga · April 7th, 2005, 02:39 AM

Yes it is a 180 degree rotation, which is the same as flipping a piece of paper horizontally and then vertically, try it with a piece of paper.

Steven

Radek Svoboda · April 7th, 2005, 06:03 AM

So you basically need monitor that will flip everything 180 deg. Is there such monitor? How about during editing? Can NLE's just flip image 180 degrees?

Brian Valente · April 7th, 2005, 08:17 AM

Of course NLEs can do it - the challenge is monitoring during production. I recall the earlier part of the thread was simply to take a field monitor and flip it upside down. And then there's the put-the-magnet-next-to-your-camera-and-
trick-the-flip-out-viewfinder-to-turn-upside-down but that gives me the willies!

Brian Valente · April 13th, 2005, 11:11 AM

Hey all - I'm just curious how many people are considering purchasing an camera-mount LCD monitor that can "do the flip" to solve this problem. I've done some research and a 5" lcd that can do this ranges from $260-400.

I am thinking this is the best approach (esp. since the micro35 being $500, I am still WELL under the price of the mini35), but wanted to hear other thoughts

March 22nd, 2005, 10:33 PM	#18
Brad Phillips New Boot Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Iowa City, Iowa Posts: 13	I may have found a way to flip the XL2 view without switching the whole assembly to the other side. I had to replace my LCD screen the other day, when I got inside I noticed you could just flip the entire LCD and circuit board 180. It should work, my only concern would be if the wires are long enough. I will be trying it when I get my unit from james. __________________ www.Premisind.com

March 23rd, 2005, 05:48 PM	#19
Andrew C. Stewart Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ponca City, OK Posts: 61	Let us know Brad... I'm curious how best to configure the XL2 with James adapter.

March 24th, 2005, 02:06 PM	#20
Jon Laing Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wall, NJ Posts: 31	Hey guys, Im brand new to this forum, have only moderate experience with dv as of now (in excess of two years), and a limited knowlege of physics but the solution to the flipped image problem seems pretty simple to me. Now im not too keen on how the adapter works, all i kno is that there is a lens mount, a ground glass, and a macro adapter, i may even be wrong there. Now, if one were to put an independant single convex lens inbetween the ground glass and the macro adapter (at the apropriate focal distance of course), wouldn't that flip the image back around to be right side up? __________________ --Devereaux ]:-( ---> http://geocities.com/anarchist_lb

April 6th, 2005, 03:27 PM	#23
Radek Svoboda Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 500	Reversed image upside down? What is the fix?

April 7th, 2005, 08:17 AM	#29
Brian Valente Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 293	Of course NLEs can do it - the challenge is monitoring during production. I recall the earlier part of the thread was simply to take a field monitor and flip it upside down. And then there's the put-the-magnet-next-to-your-camera-and- trick-the-flip-out-viewfinder-to-turn-upside-down but that gives me the willies! __________________ ========================== Brian Valente Redrock Microsystems

March 11th, 2005, 07:50 PM	#16
James Hurd Micro35 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 221	Yep, wireless will certainly be a great option. The equipment that will be released in 06 will be top notch stuff at an Indie price point. That's all I can say! I've got to get back to the micro35!! Thanks Joel! james www.micro35.com

March 21st, 2005, 10:15 AM	#17
Brian Valente Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 293	I put in a request to the guys over at DV Rack to include a "flip 180" button on their product. They said it sounds simple, so if you own or are interested in DV Rack, put in the request as well, and maybe we can get them to include this in the next release of their software. www.seriousmagic.com

March 24th, 2005, 02:29 PM	#21
Daniel Skubal Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 71	That's what is being said on dvxuser.com, it should work, but I don't know if that will have an affect on the ground glass as far as placement and distance from the glass and the camera lens. In theory though, it should work.

March 24th, 2005, 04:33 PM	#22
Aaron Shaw Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 587	Jon, That would absolutely work! It makes me wonder why no one has made an adapter that does this yet. The P&S guys could cut out a lot of expense by going this route (no prisms). I suppose it's probably due to need for calculations and most likely custom glass. I've thought of doing this myself before but nearly every stock lens has too long a focal length for this to be practical.

April 6th, 2005, 03:59 PM	#24
Daniel Skubal Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 71	It's not right/left flipping, only up/down, and it can easily be fixed in post. I believe the pro version is going to have a prism system in it so it eliminates that problem

April 6th, 2005, 04:04 PM	#25
James Hurd Micro35 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 221	There are ways to 'rotate' the image on the camera and on the monitor during production.

April 6th, 2005, 05:53 PM	#26
Brian Valente Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 293	I may have mentioned this before but I am pitching the guys over at DVRack to include a 180 degree switch on their field monitor. that would completely solve the problem and of course DV Rack is a great product anyways. It IS a 180 degree rotation problem, right?

April 7th, 2005, 02:39 AM	#27
Steven Fokkinga Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 204	Yes it is a 180 degree rotation, which is the same as flipping a piece of paper horizontally and then vertically, try it with a piece of paper. Steven

April 7th, 2005, 06:03 AM	#28
Radek Svoboda Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 500	So you basically need monitor that will flip everything 180 deg. Is there such monitor? How about during editing? Can NLE's just flip image 180 degrees?

April 13th, 2005, 11:11 AM	#30
Brian Valente Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 293	Hey all - I'm just curious how many people are considering purchasing an camera-mount LCD monitor that can "do the flip" to solve this problem. I've done some research and a 5" lcd that can do this ranges from $260-400. I am thinking this is the best approach (esp. since the micro35 being $500, I am still WELL under the price of the mini35), but wanted to hear other thoughts __________________ ========================== Brian Valente Redrock Microsystems