Mini35/HVX200 at DVinfo.net

Jason Brunner · April 1st, 2005, 09:32 AM

Well, it looks as to have the DVX form, let's hope it fits to our DVX rigged minis as easily as the XL2 did to the XL1 rigged minis.

Anyone have thoughts on HD Mini35? Are there any limitations in the Mini's ground glass compared to the pro? I'm thinking its the same glass....

Jong W. Lee · April 1st, 2005, 01:23 PM

I've been waiting for HVX200+mini35 rig for long time...
and that was the reason why I bought DVX100+mini35+Zeiss lens set...
I'll be really disappointed if Mini35 doesn't work for HVX200.
...
If anyone knows anything... please share it with us...

Please...

Jong W. Lee
Cinemasia Production

P.S. Is the name 'HVX200' right?

Rafael Cruz · April 1st, 2005, 07:39 PM

im using a mini35 with a fx1 and the image is amazing

Dave Frank · April 2nd, 2005, 01:56 PM

Rafael, how does focusing work out with the Fx1? Reading Adam Wilts review of the FX-1 made it sound like the FX-1's viewfinder isn't high-res enough to focus well for normal HD. I would assume it would be even harder with the mini35 on there.

Rabi Syid · April 3rd, 2005, 04:36 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Rafael Cruz : im using a mini35 with a fx1 and the image is amazing -->>>

Would you mind posting some material?
Thanks

Mathieu Ghekiere · April 20th, 2005, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabi Syid

<<<-- Originally posted by Rafael Cruz : im using a mini35 with a fx1 and the image is amazing -->>>

Would you mind posting some material?
Thanks

Rabi, I think if you do a search on the DV for the Masses Forum, someone already posted a clip, a music clip I think, shot with the FX1 and the Mini35 (or it's in the FX1 forum, don't really know anymore)
anyhow, there should be a link to footage of it via these boards.
Good luck!

Harikrishnan Ponnurangam · April 20th, 2005, 03:17 PM

Christopher Haring has a post under P+S technik and mini35 converters.

He shot a music video on hdr-fx1.

Charles Papert · April 21st, 2005, 12:18 AM

The HVX200 should work fine with the Mini35, according to conversations I had at NAB with both Panasonic and P+S Technik folk. However, sadly for those of us who own DVX relays--the front diameter of the HVX's lens will be larger, so that means a new kit for that camera.

Dave Eanton · April 21st, 2005, 01:54 AM

Thanks Charles, that's what I needed to hear:)

Jason Brunner · April 22nd, 2005, 08:02 AM

Does it mean simply a larger diopter attachment and reconfigured mount (probably $ hundreds) or does it mean a completely new kit (couple grand) ?

Charles Papert · April 22nd, 2005, 08:59 AM

Historically each new mount has meant a $2600 relay and mounting kit. This should be no exception. The shroud around the lens will need to be bigger, so all elements will require retooling.

Harikrishnan Ponnurangam · April 22nd, 2005, 09:29 AM

Charles,

I know you have watch dog for xl1 and xl2 and it has valuable links to mini 35 p+s technik. Is this same good for HDV cameras. I'm thinking of buying the HDR-FX1 i just want a link to put it together with Mini35.

thanks,
Hari

Cody Dulock · April 25th, 2005, 04:26 PM

just curious, but does the mini35 relay lens screw to the lens on the DVX? if it does, you could probably just get a stepping ring to fit it to the new panasonic camera. From my understanding the relay lens is a just an achromat of some sort so you can focus on the GG... so you have to actually zoom with your camcorder.

just my .02cents

Charles Papert · April 26th, 2005, 12:33 AM

possible, possible...however, as soon as you start to zoom back from full telephoto with the DVX you will start vignetting (in this case, the oscillating ground glass reveals itself in the corners. Sadly I've had this happen on a few shots by accident). Since the HVX has a larger diameter, it stands to reason that it will vignette that much more; however, it does have a longer zoom so perhaps it will cancel out this issue. It remains to be seen. Thanks for the interesting thought Cody, hope it pans out!

Hari, I haven't worked with it but I know there is a relay available for the two Sony HDV cameras.

Cody Dulock · April 26th, 2005, 01:50 AM

Well yes you will get vingetting with any 35mm adapter if you are zoomed all the way out. you usually have to zoom in to about 2x-5x depending on the camcorder and adapter. the reason for this is you are trying to record a 35mm camera image that is actually the size of 24mm/36mm.

April 1st, 2005, 09:32 AM	#1
Jason Brunner Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Salt Lake City. Utah Posts: 68	Mini35/HVX200 Well, it looks as to have the DVX form, let's hope it fits to our DVX rigged minis as easily as the XL2 did to the XL1 rigged minis. Anyone have thoughts on HD Mini35? Are there any limitations in the Mini's ground glass compared to the pro? I'm thinking its the same glass.... __________________ Kindest regards, Jason Brunner jason@aros.net http://www.jasonbrunner.com http://www.fleurpost.net (Thats just, like, my opinion, man)

April 1st, 2005, 01:23 PM	#2
Jong W. Lee New Boot Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6	Hope... I've been waiting for HVX200+mini35 rig for long time... and that was the reason why I bought DVX100+mini35+Zeiss lens set... I'll be really disappointed if Mini35 doesn't work for HVX200. ... If anyone knows anything... please share it with us... Please... Jong W. Lee Cinemasia Production P.S. Is the name 'HVX200' right?

April 2nd, 2005, 01:56 PM	#4
Dave Frank Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 244	Rafael, how does focusing work out with the Fx1? Reading Adam Wilts review of the FX-1 made it sound like the FX-1's viewfinder isn't high-res enough to focus well for normal HD. I would assume it would be even harder with the mini35 on there. __________________ http://www.sleeptightmovie.com

April 20th, 2005, 03:17 PM	#7
Harikrishnan Ponnurangam Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: St.Louis, USA Posts: 145	Go to Hmanvisions.com Christopher Haring has a post under P+S technik and mini35 converters. He shot a music video on hdr-fx1.

April 21st, 2005, 12:18 AM	#8
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	The HVX200 should work fine with the Mini35, according to conversations I had at NAB with both Panasonic and P+S Technik folk. However, sadly for those of us who own DVX relays--the front diameter of the HVX's lens will be larger, so that means a new kit for that camera. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

April 1st, 2005, 07:39 PM	#3
Rafael Cruz Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 43	im using a mini35 with a fx1 and the image is amazing

April 3rd, 2005, 04:36 AM	#5
Rabi Syid Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: location Posts: 68	<<<-- Originally posted by Rafael Cruz : im using a mini35 with a fx1 and the image is amazing -->>> Would you mind posting some material? Thanks

April 21st, 2005, 01:54 AM	#9
Dave Eanton Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CANADA Posts: 56	Thanks Charles, that's what I needed to hear:) __________________ XL1s, XL2, 3x Wide lens, Matrox RTX 100 pro, Premiere Pro 1.5, After Effects 6.5, Encore, Audition

April 22nd, 2005, 08:02 AM	#10
Jason Brunner Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Salt Lake City. Utah Posts: 68	Does it mean simply a larger diopter attachment and reconfigured mount (probably $ hundreds) or does it mean a completely new kit (couple grand) ? __________________ Kindest regards, Jason Brunner jason@aros.net http://www.jasonbrunner.com http://www.fleurpost.net (Thats just, like, my opinion, man)

April 22nd, 2005, 08:59 AM	#11
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Historically each new mount has meant a $2600 relay and mounting kit. This should be no exception. The shroud around the lens will need to be bigger, so all elements will require retooling. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

April 22nd, 2005, 09:29 AM	#12
Harikrishnan Ponnurangam Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: St.Louis, USA Posts: 145	Watch dog for HD Charles, I know you have watch dog for xl1 and xl2 and it has valuable links to mini 35 p+s technik. Is this same good for HDV cameras. I'm thinking of buying the HDR-FX1 i just want a link to put it together with Mini35. thanks, Hari

April 25th, 2005, 04:26 PM	#13
Cody Dulock Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: arlington, texas Posts: 420	just curious, but does the mini35 relay lens screw to the lens on the DVX? if it does, you could probably just get a stepping ring to fit it to the new panasonic camera. From my understanding the relay lens is a just an achromat of some sort so you can focus on the GG... so you have to actually zoom with your camcorder. just my .02cents

April 26th, 2005, 12:33 AM	#14
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	possible, possible...however, as soon as you start to zoom back from full telephoto with the DVX you will start vignetting (in this case, the oscillating ground glass reveals itself in the corners. Sadly I've had this happen on a few shots by accident). Since the HVX has a larger diameter, it stands to reason that it will vignette that much more; however, it does have a longer zoom so perhaps it will cancel out this issue. It remains to be seen. Thanks for the interesting thought Cody, hope it pans out! Hari, I haven't worked with it but I know there is a relay available for the two Sony HDV cameras. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

April 26th, 2005, 01:50 AM	#15
Cody Dulock Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: arlington, texas Posts: 420	Well yes you will get vingetting with any 35mm adapter if you are zoomed all the way out. you usually have to zoom in to about 2x-5x depending on the camcorder and adapter. the reason for this is you are trying to record a 35mm camera image that is actually the size of 24mm/36mm.