Micro35 Footage!

Mark Kubat · March 12th, 2005, 02:55 PM

Pls. start a new thread so we don't miss it - call it something like "film shoot footage with micro 35" or something - thanks!

Mark

Larry McKee · March 12th, 2005, 04:32 PM

Scott, they have an OCT-19 mount which is the Russian answer to the PL mount. They are all F1.4 lenses, have no breathing issues, and pulling focus is a smooth as glass. They are, after all, cine primes. ;)

I appeared to loose about 2 f-stops through the Micro35, which is what I expected. The key light was a diffused, bounced 500w at about 6' from the subject and I had plenty of light. The handheld meter read F4. The cine lens was set wide open as was the iris on the DVX100A.

Hope those were helpful answers.

Mark Kubat · March 15th, 2005, 06:24 AM

Hi guys - just wondering how it's all going - guess you guys are still picking your dropped jaws off the floor now that you're starting to look at the footage....?

pls. give us something - we want our jaws to drop too.

thx!

Daniel Skubal · March 15th, 2005, 03:52 PM

Rich, Larry, this is DJ from the santuary. I also am waiting around for that footage. Any luck? :-p

Matthew Overstreet · March 16th, 2005, 12:55 PM

Hey, I was just curious what the best way would be to acquire 16:9 footage using this adaptor. Is there someway to use an anamorphic adaptor with it? Or--is cropping the only method.

Also, I'm not sure if anyone is familiar with Andromeda. But basically it gets 4:4:4 images out of the DVX100 and can upscale them to 720p HD. Would using this system with the micro35 end up showing a lot of grain on the footage? Thanks.

Matthew Overstreet

Ryan Hamblin · March 16th, 2005, 11:13 PM

currently I am aware of a third party trying to develop an anamorphic for it, but I am not aware of if it will be a production unit or not, possibly just a personally crafted mechanism

Larry McKee · March 17th, 2005, 10:29 AM

OK, boys and girls. The clips are ready. We all need to give it up for Richard. That poor guy is working his fanny off on several projects at one time. Things finally worked out so that he could post the clips and frame grabs.

The only correction done to the clips was turning them right side up. They will be tweaked for the final project, but they are posted as they were recorded. Except for the upside down thing.

Like the rest of the project, they were shot at 60I in the 4:3 aspect ratio. The mood for the scene was intentionally dark. Not only because the story call for it. We were shooting in the lobby of a tattoo parlor and didn't want to show the artwork on the walls (see the pic of Tim with the Micro35 rig to see what I mean). So we put up a canvas portrait background. We didn't want the viewers to see that either. How many coroners have a portrait studio in their lab? So we flagged off the light striking the background.

If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.

Submitted for your approval, here in the Micro Zone:

http://www.americanmovieworks.com/Mi...cro35clips.htm

Aaron Shaw · March 17th, 2005, 10:51 AM

Just curious, but why did you shoot 60i?

Daniel Skubal · March 17th, 2005, 11:02 AM

I like the shallow dof... I'm a little concerned with the blending between the high contrasts of tha man's arm and the black background. It's sort of hazing... But other than that, I think that footage looks really good

Larry McKee · March 17th, 2005, 11:08 AM

Most of the project was shot over a weekend back in September. There were 4 crews shooting 4 different camera brands/models simultaneously at 4 different locations around town. The producers decided to shoot 60I at 4:3 because some of the cameras couldn't shoot 16:9 and only my DVX100A could shoot 24P.

Matthew Overstreet · March 17th, 2005, 12:45 PM

What about attaching a DVX100 anamorphic adaptor to the DVX lens, and then fitting the micro35 to the anamorphic adaptor? Would that work? I guess there might be complications, but would it be easy to workaround?

On another note, I found some anamorphic lenses that fit to an OCT-19 mount, I guess those would be good to use. However, they seemed to cost a lot of money, so I don't know.

Matthew Overstreet

Ryan Hamblin · March 17th, 2005, 12:58 PM

well actually with the oct-19 mount the anamorphics you will be using on that will not give you the proper squeeze ratio you need to handle it in post.

the way the adapter is currently designed It is no possible to use the pana ana with it.

Matthew Overstreet · March 17th, 2005, 10:33 PM

Thanks for the information. Now--I'm wondering, if you can't use a pana anamorphic adaptor, How does a normal film production do it? Do you think there are 35mm lenses that have anamorphic adaptors that fit them? Sorry if that is a stupid question, but I'm not too familiar with cine lenses and all that.

Matthew Overstreet

Martin Hesse · March 18th, 2005, 12:09 AM

-I have seen anamorphic adaptors online for SLR lenses. Unfortunately, I can't remember where.

-A really expensive option would be to buy anamorphic cine lenses.

- In theory, the anamorphic adaptor for the GL-1 would work if you could figure out how to mount it on to the SLR lens.

-I'm sure Century optics would make you one if they don't already. Although, it may not work for all SLR lenses.

Mark Kubat · March 18th, 2005, 12:33 AM

Wow, great stuff, Larry - I'm sold on the micro 35... I'm not seeing any ground glass, etc. and I believe the results will be even better using Sony HDV, which is much more forgiving in low light and has higher resolution...

Incredible. Really gives you something you can't get with mini-dv otherwise...

Great stuff - thanks for posting!

Mark

March 12th, 2005, 02:55 PM	#31
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	Richard, pls asap - we want to see it Pls. start a new thread so we don't miss it - call it something like "film shoot footage with micro 35" or something - thanks! Mark

March 12th, 2005, 04:32 PM	#32
Larry McKee Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 32	Scott, they have an OCT-19 mount which is the Russian answer to the PL mount. They are all F1.4 lenses, have no breathing issues, and pulling focus is a smooth as glass. They are, after all, cine primes. ;) I appeared to loose about 2 f-stops through the Micro35, which is what I expected. The key light was a diffused, bounced 500w at about 6' from the subject and I had plenty of light. The handheld meter read F4. The cine lens was set wide open as was the iris on the DVX100A. Hope those were helpful answers. __________________ www.lunaticfringepictures.com

March 15th, 2005, 06:24 AM	#33
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	any footage yet? any more pics? Hi guys - just wondering how it's all going - guess you guys are still picking your dropped jaws off the floor now that you're starting to look at the footage....? pls. give us something - we want our jaws to drop too. thx!

March 16th, 2005, 12:55 PM	#35
Matthew Overstreet Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Whitman, Massachusetts Posts: 168	16:9 footage? Hey, I was just curious what the best way would be to acquire 16:9 footage using this adaptor. Is there someway to use an anamorphic adaptor with it? Or--is cropping the only method. Also, I'm not sure if anyone is familiar with Andromeda. But basically it gets 4:4:4 images out of the DVX100 and can upscale them to 720p HD. Would using this system with the micro35 end up showing a lot of grain on the footage? Thanks. Matthew Overstreet

March 17th, 2005, 10:29 AM	#37
Larry McKee Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 32	Clips from The Ancient OK, boys and girls. The clips are ready. We all need to give it up for Richard. That poor guy is working his fanny off on several projects at one time. Things finally worked out so that he could post the clips and frame grabs. The only correction done to the clips was turning them right side up. They will be tweaked for the final project, but they are posted as they were recorded. Except for the upside down thing. Like the rest of the project, they were shot at 60I in the 4:3 aspect ratio. The mood for the scene was intentionally dark. Not only because the story call for it. We were shooting in the lobby of a tattoo parlor and didn't want to show the artwork on the walls (see the pic of Tim with the Micro35 rig to see what I mean). So we put up a canvas portrait background. We didn't want the viewers to see that either. How many coroners have a portrait studio in their lab? So we flagged off the light striking the background. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask. Submitted for your approval, here in the Micro Zone: http://www.americanmovieworks.com/Mi...cro35clips.htm __________________ www.lunaticfringepictures.com

March 15th, 2005, 03:52 PM	#34
Daniel Skubal Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 71	Rich, Larry, this is DJ from the santuary. I also am waiting around for that footage. Any luck? :-p

March 16th, 2005, 11:13 PM	#36
Ryan Hamblin New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 10	currently I am aware of a third party trying to develop an anamorphic for it, but I am not aware of if it will be a production unit or not, possibly just a personally crafted mechanism

March 17th, 2005, 10:51 AM	#38
Aaron Shaw Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 587	Just curious, but why did you shoot 60i?

March 17th, 2005, 11:02 AM	#39
Daniel Skubal Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 71	I like the shallow dof... I'm a little concerned with the blending between the high contrasts of tha man's arm and the black background. It's sort of hazing... But other than that, I think that footage looks really good

March 17th, 2005, 11:08 AM	#40
Larry McKee Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 32	Most of the project was shot over a weekend back in September. There were 4 crews shooting 4 different camera brands/models simultaneously at 4 different locations around town. The producers decided to shoot 60I at 4:3 because some of the cameras couldn't shoot 16:9 and only my DVX100A could shoot 24P. __________________ www.lunaticfringepictures.com

March 17th, 2005, 12:45 PM	#41
Matthew Overstreet Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Whitman, Massachusetts Posts: 168	What about attaching a DVX100 anamorphic adaptor to the DVX lens, and then fitting the micro35 to the anamorphic adaptor? Would that work? I guess there might be complications, but would it be easy to workaround? On another note, I found some anamorphic lenses that fit to an OCT-19 mount, I guess those would be good to use. However, they seemed to cost a lot of money, so I don't know. Matthew Overstreet

March 17th, 2005, 12:58 PM	#42
Ryan Hamblin New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 10	well actually with the oct-19 mount the anamorphics you will be using on that will not give you the proper squeeze ratio you need to handle it in post. the way the adapter is currently designed It is no possible to use the pana ana with it.

March 17th, 2005, 10:33 PM	#43
Matthew Overstreet Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Whitman, Massachusetts Posts: 168	Thanks for the information. Now--I'm wondering, if you can't use a pana anamorphic adaptor, How does a normal film production do it? Do you think there are 35mm lenses that have anamorphic adaptors that fit them? Sorry if that is a stupid question, but I'm not too familiar with cine lenses and all that. Matthew Overstreet

March 18th, 2005, 12:09 AM	#44
Martin Hesse New Boot Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Francisco CA. USA Posts: 15	35mm format anamorphic -I have seen anamorphic adaptors online for SLR lenses. Unfortunately, I can't remember where. -A really expensive option would be to buy anamorphic cine lenses. - In theory, the anamorphic adaptor for the GL-1 would work if you could figure out how to mount it on to the SLR lens. -I'm sure Century optics would make you one if they don't already. Although, it may not work for all SLR lenses.

March 18th, 2005, 12:33 AM	#45
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	Amazing! i'm sold! Wow, great stuff, Larry - I'm sold on the micro 35... I'm not seeing any ground glass, etc. and I believe the results will be even better using Sony HDV, which is much more forgiving in low light and has higher resolution... Incredible. Really gives you something you can't get with mini-dv otherwise... Great stuff - thanks for posting! Mark