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Justin Neri · February 8th, 2005, 11:13 PM

how about using a directors finder as an adapter? you know the things the director uses to see how the shot is gonna look thru the film lens.
can that work?

Rob Lohman · February 9th, 2005, 07:14 AM

Welcome aboard DVInfo.net Justin! I assume you mean to attach
a 35mm adapter to your camera? It might work but I doubt it
will retain the depth-of-field, which is what everybody is after...

Justin Neri · February 9th, 2005, 07:18 AM

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/cinemasu...ekistdivi.html

but they have a ground glass in them and you will see the depth if you look into it. is the glass to far away for the camera lens or something.

thanks for the welcome. ive been following these boards for years.. the info is so great. there is almost too much to handle.

Rob Lohman · February 9th, 2005, 07:29 AM

Do you know there is a groundglass in there? because I can't
make that out from that page. I'm not sure if you would need a
ground glass with a human eye, I can imagine if you space the
eye at the correct distance from the lens end it may be able to
see it correctly, but what do I know <g>

It's certainly an interesting idea.... I hope someone who has
more experience with these kind of things can chime in...

p.s. if there is a ground glass in there it might be too coarse as
well etc.

Justin Neri · February 9th, 2005, 07:41 AM

some of the designs if not all seem to have a ground glass.
another question, how come i can not see any grain when looking into a 35mm still camera?

i just tore apart my old 35mm, man what fun. the pentaprism is awesome. too bad its not big enough for an adapter application.

Charles Papert · February 9th, 2005, 10:58 AM

The Kish in that link does not have a ground glass, and it also has no perceivable depth of field effect. Kish does manufacture a version with PL mount that will give the look you are going after, but the ground glass is indeed fixed and somewhat coarse. P+S Technik makes a version of this that includes a small DV camcorder to record rehearsals. It's pretty easy to see that once they had developed this technology, how they arrived at the idea for the original Mini35 that spurred all this.

Oscar Spierenburg · February 10th, 2005, 05:40 PM

I think this is an expensive solution to something that could be made for almost nothing.
However, something I mentioned before, although no one responded, is to use a sort of director’s finder as a separate viewfinder to solve the mirrored image you'll get with the 35mm adapters. You'll also save the batteries from LCD use.

Than remains the problem of focusing, but maybe the best way to focus is the way they did (and do) in the film industry, just measure the distance from the lens to the subject with a tape measure and set the lens.

Does anyone know a way to make a directors finder, maybe from old photo cameras?

Leo Mandy · February 10th, 2005, 05:45 PM

Good idea, there has to be old parts that would work as a make-shift Director's finder - an old 8mm film camera?

Filip Kovcin · February 10th, 2005, 06:25 PM

i cannot find better image, but this type has GG and therefore you celarly see DOF.

http://www.jrsfilm.com/Kim%20with%20...vid%20full.jpg

will try to search for closeup. i know that panavision usually has this with it's own equipment.

filip

Filip Kovcin · February 10th, 2005, 06:28 PM

i'm not sure about this one...

http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo...viewfinder.jpg

filip

Charles Papert · February 10th, 2005, 06:42 PM

Filip, that first one is indeed a Panavision finder, there are a few versions available but generally they are made by 3rd parties such as Kish (don't remember who makes that particular one). The other one you linked I have never seen before, but I like the size!

Filip Kovcin · February 10th, 2005, 07:00 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Charles Papert :The other one you linked I have never seen before, but I like the size! -->>>

Charles,

but the size is what make me suspicious. i'm not sure there is place/space for GG...

btw. maybe you can recognize - is this HD prime (zeiss)?
looks like.

filip

Charles Papert · February 10th, 2005, 07:45 PM

That looks to me like a Zeiss/Arri Ultra prime--i.e, 35mm format.

Filip Kovcin · February 10th, 2005, 07:56 PM

thanks Charles,

you are probably right :)

February 8th, 2005, 11:13 PM	#1
Justin Neri New Boot Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13	how about a directors finder how about using a directors finder as an adapter? you know the things the director uses to see how the shot is gonna look thru the film lens. can that work?

February 9th, 2005, 07:14 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Welcome aboard DVInfo.net Justin! I assume you mean to attach a 35mm adapter to your camera? It might work but I doubt it will retain the depth-of-field, which is what everybody is after... __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 9th, 2005, 07:29 AM	#4
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Do you know there is a groundglass in there? because I can't make that out from that page. I'm not sure if you would need a ground glass with a human eye, I can imagine if you space the eye at the correct distance from the lens end it may be able to see it correctly, but what do I know <g> It's certainly an interesting idea.... I hope someone who has more experience with these kind of things can chime in... p.s. if there is a ground glass in there it might be too coarse as well etc. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 9th, 2005, 10:58 AM	#6
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	The Kish in that link does not have a ground glass, and it also has no perceivable depth of field effect. Kish does manufacture a version with PL mount that will give the look you are going after, but the ground glass is indeed fixed and somewhat coarse. P+S Technik makes a version of this that includes a small DV camcorder to record rehearsals. It's pretty easy to see that once they had developed this technology, how they arrived at the idea for the original Mini35 that spurred all this. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

February 10th, 2005, 06:25 PM	#9
Filip Kovcin Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: warsaw, poland Posts: 440	i cannot find better image, but this type has GG and therefore you celarly see DOF. http://www.jrsfilm.com/Kim%20with%20...vid%20full.jpg will try to search for closeup. i know that panavision usually has this with it's own equipment. filip __________________ in kino (sic!) veritas

February 9th, 2005, 07:18 AM	#3
Justin Neri New Boot Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13	http://shop.store.yahoo.com/cinemasu...ekistdivi.html but they have a ground glass in them and you will see the depth if you look into it. is the glass to far away for the camera lens or something. thanks for the welcome. ive been following these boards for years.. the info is so great. there is almost too much to handle.

February 9th, 2005, 07:41 AM	#5
Justin Neri New Boot Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13	some of the designs if not all seem to have a ground glass. another question, how come i can not see any grain when looking into a 35mm still camera? i just tore apart my old 35mm, man what fun. the pentaprism is awesome. too bad its not big enough for an adapter application.

February 10th, 2005, 05:40 PM	#7
Oscar Spierenburg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: (The Netherlands - Belgium) Posts: 735	I think this is an expensive solution to something that could be made for almost nothing. However, something I mentioned before, although no one responded, is to use a sort of director’s finder as a separate viewfinder to solve the mirrored image you'll get with the 35mm adapters. You'll also save the batteries from LCD use. Than remains the problem of focusing, but maybe the best way to focus is the way they did (and do) in the film industry, just measure the distance from the lens to the subject with a tape measure and set the lens. Does anyone know a way to make a directors finder, maybe from old photo cameras?

February 10th, 2005, 05:45 PM	#8
Leo Mandy Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 749	Good idea, there has to be old parts that would work as a make-shift Director's finder - an old 8mm film camera?

February 10th, 2005, 06:28 PM	#10
Filip Kovcin Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: warsaw, poland Posts: 440	i'm not sure about this one... http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo...viewfinder.jpg filip __________________ in kino (sic!) veritas

February 10th, 2005, 06:42 PM	#11
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Filip, that first one is indeed a Panavision finder, there are a few versions available but generally they are made by 3rd parties such as Kish (don't remember who makes that particular one). The other one you linked I have never seen before, but I like the size! __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

February 10th, 2005, 07:00 PM	#12
Filip Kovcin Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: warsaw, poland Posts: 440	<<<-- Originally posted by Charles Papert :The other one you linked I have never seen before, but I like the size! -->>> Charles, but the size is what make me suspicious. i'm not sure there is place/space for GG... btw. maybe you can recognize - is this HD prime (zeiss)? looks like. filip __________________ in kino (sic!) veritas

February 10th, 2005, 07:45 PM	#13
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	That looks to me like a Zeiss/Arri Ultra prime--i.e, 35mm format. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

February 10th, 2005, 07:56 PM	#14
Filip Kovcin Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: warsaw, poland Posts: 440	thanks Charles, you are probably right :) __________________ in kino (sic!) veritas