16mm lenses on a mini35? at DVinfo.net

Josh Brusin · November 11th, 2004, 05:47 PM

it's been a year and I know it is not supposed to work but has anyone kluged a 16mm lens onto the adapter? Just wondering.

Don't want to sell my 16mm stuff. Been holding out on random innovation....

Charles Papert · November 11th, 2004, 11:06 PM

Josh, it won't cover the frame. It'd be like looking through a toilet paper roll, a circular image in the middle and black all around.

Josh Brusin · November 15th, 2004, 01:08 AM

yeah, I've popped a few on and seen that. I figured someone, industrious and availed with time, had come up with a solution incorporating a frensel and some duct tape...?

Oh well... Looking for super cheap and super fast cine-primes... Optars or sumpthin-somethin....

anyone? Chaz?

Charles Papert · November 15th, 2004, 09:54 AM

"super cheap and super fast" will likely only coincide if they are not so good optically (or actually hot property!)

Try the Russian lenses maybe?

Josh Brusin · December 1st, 2004, 08:42 PM

I think I may go ruskie. I do worry that those Kinor or Konvas lenses won't fit... any first hand use Charles?
Josh

Clint Gossett · March 5th, 2005, 10:43 PM

We have recently invested in a XL2 with a mini35 300. We keep running across 16 and super 16mm lenses with Arri Bayonet mounts. We have also run across Bayonet to PL mount adapters. Can we use these lenses on our mini35?

Barry Green · March 5th, 2005, 11:38 PM

Not likely. The 16mm circle of illumination will be *way* smaller than the 35mm target frame size, meaning you'd just get a vignetted circle on the frame.

If the lens is PL-mount and designed to work on both 16mm and 35mm cameras, then yes it should work. But if it's designed specifically for a 16mm camera, it almost definitely won't work for a mini35 system.

Josh Brusin · May 19th, 2005, 07:07 PM

uh... I've been spacing several 16mm c mount lenses out and they seem to be able to cover. I am still messing with the zoom but so far so good. Has anyone jury rigged this yet?

Dan Diaconu · May 19th, 2005, 10:30 PM

The reason being.....? price? or.....?
Is it not Canon/Nikon good enough? Why 16mm lens on a larger frame?

Chris Hurd · May 20th, 2005, 07:05 AM

As to the question of why you would want to do this... is it because you have 16mm lenses on hand, Josh?

Josh Brusin · May 22nd, 2005, 11:13 AM

mostly because I have .9 angenieux primes for 16 and pulling focus with a 1.4 nikon is a B.

it would also save me $1000 for a pl ang. 25-250 (that's t3) and $250 for the adaptor... and another $250 for the bayo-pl adaptor....

when I have a c mount angenieux 12-120 on my shelf getting dusty...

Guy Genin · May 23rd, 2005, 03:04 PM

Josh,

The 16mm format does not work on the Min35.
Take your 12-120 Angenieux, to see the real size of the image, all you have to do is close the iris to about T11 and have enough light on the scene to see that the image is limited to a small circle inside the 35mm frame.

Guy Genin.

Josh Brusin · May 24th, 2005, 02:39 PM

i know... I was thinking to set it closer to the frame and while wouldn't zoom through get partial use of it.

If i didn't have so much going on I'd mess with it... was hoping someone else had by now...

November 11th, 2004, 05:47 PM	#1
Josh Brusin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 439	16mm lenses on a mini35? it's been a year and I know it is not supposed to work but has anyone kluged a 16mm lens onto the adapter? Just wondering. Don't want to sell my 16mm stuff. Been holding out on random innovation....

November 11th, 2004, 11:06 PM	#2
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Josh, it won't cover the frame. It'd be like looking through a toilet paper roll, a circular image in the middle and black all around. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

November 15th, 2004, 09:54 AM	#4
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	"super cheap and super fast" will likely only coincide if they are not so good optically (or actually hot property!) Try the Russian lenses maybe? __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

March 5th, 2005, 10:43 PM	#6
Clint Gossett Tourist Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SF, CA Posts: 1	16mm Bayonet Mount Lenses We have recently invested in a XL2 with a mini35 300. We keep running across 16 and super 16mm lenses with Arri Bayonet mounts. We have also run across Bayonet to PL mount adapters. Can we use these lenses on our mini35?

May 19th, 2005, 07:07 PM	#8
Josh Brusin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 439	16mm c mount to mini35 uh... I've been spacing several 16mm c mount lenses out and they seem to be able to cover. I am still messing with the zoom but so far so good. Has anyone jury rigged this yet?

November 15th, 2004, 01:08 AM	#3
Josh Brusin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 439	yeah, I've popped a few on and seen that. I figured someone, industrious and availed with time, had come up with a solution incorporating a frensel and some duct tape...? Oh well... Looking for super cheap and super fast cine-primes... Optars or sumpthin-somethin.... anyone? Chaz?

December 1st, 2004, 08:42 PM	#5
Josh Brusin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 439	I think I may go ruskie. I do worry that those Kinor or Konvas lenses won't fit... any first hand use Charles? Josh

March 5th, 2005, 11:38 PM	#7
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Not likely. The 16mm circle of illumination will be way smaller than the 35mm target frame size, meaning you'd just get a vignetted circle on the frame. If the lens is PL-mount and designed to work on both 16mm and 35mm cameras, then yes it should work. But if it's designed specifically for a 16mm camera, it almost definitely won't work for a mini35 system.

May 19th, 2005, 10:30 PM	#9
Dan Diaconu Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 804	The reason being.....? price? or.....? Is it not Canon/Nikon good enough? Why 16mm lens on a larger frame?

May 20th, 2005, 07:05 AM	#10
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	As to the question of why you would want to do this... is it because you have 16mm lenses on hand, Josh? __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 22nd, 2005, 11:13 AM	#11
Josh Brusin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 439	mostly because I have .9 angenieux primes for 16 and pulling focus with a 1.4 nikon is a B. it would also save me $1000 for a pl ang. 25-250 (that's t3) and $250 for the adaptor... and another $250 for the bayo-pl adaptor.... when I have a c mount angenieux 12-120 on my shelf getting dusty...

May 23rd, 2005, 03:04 PM	#12
Guy Genin Sponsor: ZGC Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mountain Lakes, NJ. Posts: 36	Josh, The 16mm format does not work on the Min35. Take your 12-120 Angenieux, to see the real size of the image, all you have to do is close the iris to about T11 and have enough light on the scene to see that the image is limited to a small circle inside the 35mm frame. Guy Genin. __________________ Guy Genin ZGC Technical support

May 24th, 2005, 02:39 PM	#13
Josh Brusin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 439	i know... I was thinking to set it closer to the frame and while wouldn't zoom through get partial use of it. If i didn't have so much going on I'd mess with it... was hoping someone else had by now...