mini35 with XL2 at DVinfo.net

Mike Bluestone · October 31st, 2004, 05:49 PM

I have just done some tests with the XL2 and mini35, and I am quite dissapointed with the results, compared to the DVX100.

I wonder if anyone who has used this combination could share some advice. I suspect it may be the sharpness control in camera. I have tried zero and in the middle, and have played with unsharp mask in AE, but all I can achieve is mushy or too much noise.

With the DVX100a I found good results with sharpness in the middle. Using the in camera 16:9, it looks good, if a little grainy, even with the gg oscillating at maximum. The grain is OK because it moves from frame to frame, like film, and is very sharp and fine.

I would love to be able to use the XL2 because it's so much easier with the viefinder up front, but the quality seems not as good as the DVX100. Any help appreciated...........

Rob Lohman · November 1st, 2004, 04:00 AM

Why not give us some more information?

1. which version of the mini35 do you have?

2. what where all of the settings on the lens, relay adapter and XL2 (including gain, iris'es, shutter speeds, shooting mode, custom settings etc.)

3. what where you shooting and in what kind of light

4. what kind of lens where you using

5. can you post a frame for us to see

6. on what kind of monitor are you reviewing this footage

Dennis Hingsberg · November 11th, 2004, 11:16 PM

Mike,

I'm quite happy with my results and have left the sharpness setting at its default, www.starcentral.ca/mini35rig.htm

Eric MacIver · November 17th, 2004, 09:09 PM

Anyone wanting to see what the XL2/Mini35 footage blown up to big screen looks like can do so at the DV Film Festival on December 9th in Los Angeles.

My film, "Limb from Limb" was chosen as one of the short films to be screened at the festival.

More info at http://www.dvexpo.com/filmfest.

Barry Green · November 18th, 2004, 12:27 AM

Is this a film transfer, or digital projection?

Eric MacIver · November 18th, 2004, 12:56 AM

Digital projection.

Dean Bull · November 19th, 2004, 12:44 AM

Hey Eric,

Are you a rep for Indie Rentals? I am a producing a few shorts down here at SDSU and I am seriously eyeballing the mini35 for 2 of them.

I wanted to know if I could come up to LA and demo your unit, maybe run a quick latitude test or something and see the results on miniDV.

Eric MacIver · November 19th, 2004, 05:27 AM

Yep - I'm one of the owners. I'd be happy to let you test it. Feel free to email me at eric@indierentals.com or call 323-571-9476.

Eric MacIver · June 29th, 2005, 03:01 PM

We're overstocked by one unit of each, so we're selling them. They've both only been used twice and are still under warranty.

XL2 Body Only Kit: $3000
XL2 Mini35 Connecting Kit: $2250

Please let me know if you have any interest.

Andrew Oh · July 2nd, 2005, 03:08 AM

I'm very interested in the XL2 connecting kit. What is included? Thanks. Please contact me at ady145@yahoo.com

Dan Lim · August 28th, 2005, 10:22 AM

Hi !
I want to show you the image ,but i dont know how !
How ?

Daniel Limoges

Djee Smit · August 28th, 2005, 11:34 AM

make a printscreen cap while having this problem and upload the picture with, for instance, http://www.imagevenue.com/ at least, if that is what you mean

Dan Lim · September 16th, 2005, 10:02 AM

http://img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?...tical_line.jpg

Dennis Hingsberg · November 3rd, 2005, 07:45 AM

I'm not near my mini35 and need to know the height the mini35 will add to the XL2 for an undersling bracket I bought for a jib arm.

Can someone measure the height from the bottom (base) of the mini35 to the base platform where the camera would go?

Even better if someone has the complete height of XL2 with mini35 300 that would be even better.

Thanks :)

Dennis Hingsberg · June 19th, 2006, 09:59 PM

Looking to upgrade so time has come to sell! Low hours use mini35 series 300 with all trimmings and Canon XL2 NTSC with 0 hours use on stock lens and most Canon accessories still in box.

I'm located in Toronto area and can demo equipment if necessary. Lenses not for sale at this time but may consider selling. Nikon f1.2 - f1.4 24mm, 35mm, 55mm 85mm lenses.

Serious inquiries or offers please! email star @hy-way. com for other questions, info or pictures! Thank you!

As far as price please make a reasonable offer if you are serious about buying this equipment. I paid close to $18,000 Canadian funds total back in the day. Please don't email me telling me I got ripped off and understand that the price reflects the dollar value/exchange rates at that time and in addition all appropriate taxes, import and duty fees. (Remember I'm in Canada!) Anyway price can be extremely subjective especially when dealing with goods manufactured in another country, imported to USA then resold to another country ie. Canada. so I just wanted to point that out in advance.

Now that we're all clear... I will consider any reasonable offer made, let me know if you have any questions.

For picture see: http://www.starcentral.ca/siteimages...g_blue_big.jpg

To watch a 2 minute short titled Little Acorns shot entirely with this rig see http://www.starcentral.ca/images/bc/bc.htm

October 31st, 2004, 05:49 PM	#1
Mike Bluestone Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Malaga, Spain Posts: 42	mini35 with XL2 I have just done some tests with the XL2 and mini35, and I am quite dissapointed with the results, compared to the DVX100. I wonder if anyone who has used this combination could share some advice. I suspect it may be the sharpness control in camera. I have tried zero and in the middle, and have played with unsharp mask in AE, but all I can achieve is mushy or too much noise. With the DVX100a I found good results with sharpness in the middle. Using the in camera 16:9, it looks good, if a little grainy, even with the gg oscillating at maximum. The grain is OK because it moves from frame to frame, like film, and is very sharp and fine. I would love to be able to use the XL2 because it's so much easier with the viefinder up front, but the quality seems not as good as the DVX100. Any help appreciated...........

November 1st, 2004, 04:00 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Why not give us some more information? 1. which version of the mini35 do you have? 2. what where all of the settings on the lens, relay adapter and XL2 (including gain, iris'es, shutter speeds, shooting mode, custom settings etc.) 3. what where you shooting and in what kind of light 4. what kind of lens where you using 5. can you post a frame for us to see 6. on what kind of monitor are you reviewing this footage __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 11th, 2004, 11:16 PM	#3
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	Mike, I'm quite happy with my results and have left the sharpness setting at its default, www.starcentral.ca/mini35rig.htm __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55

November 17th, 2004, 09:09 PM	#4
Eric MacIver Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 121	XL2 / Mini35 on the big screen - In LA Anyone wanting to see what the XL2/Mini35 footage blown up to big screen looks like can do so at the DV Film Festival on December 9th in Los Angeles. My film, "Limb from Limb" was chosen as one of the short films to be screened at the festival. More info at http://www.dvexpo.com/filmfest. __________________ http://www.IndieRentals.com RED Rentals, Camera, Grip, Lighting, Sound, Post and More. http://www.madmojo.com Production blog.

November 18th, 2004, 12:56 AM	#6
Eric MacIver Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 121	Digital projection. __________________ http://www.IndieRentals.com RED Rentals, Camera, Grip, Lighting, Sound, Post and More. http://www.madmojo.com Production blog.

November 18th, 2004, 12:27 AM	#5
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Is this a film transfer, or digital projection?

November 19th, 2004, 12:44 AM	#7
Dean Bull Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 106	Hey Eric, Are you a rep for Indie Rentals? I am a producing a few shorts down here at SDSU and I am seriously eyeballing the mini35 for 2 of them. I wanted to know if I could come up to LA and demo your unit, maybe run a quick latitude test or something and see the results on miniDV.

November 19th, 2004, 05:27 AM	#8
Eric MacIver Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 121	Yep - I'm one of the owners. I'd be happy to let you test it. Feel free to email me at eric@indierentals.com or call 323-571-9476. __________________ http://www.IndieRentals.com RED Rentals, Camera, Grip, Lighting, Sound, Post and More. http://www.madmojo.com Production blog.

June 29th, 2005, 03:01 PM	#9
Eric MacIver Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 121	Mini35 XL2 Connecting Kit & XL2 Body Only Kit for Sale We're overstocked by one unit of each, so we're selling them. They've both only been used twice and are still under warranty. XL2 Body Only Kit: $3000 XL2 Mini35 Connecting Kit: $2250 Please let me know if you have any interest. __________________ http://www.IndieRentals.com RED Rentals, Camera, Grip, Lighting, Sound, Post and More. http://www.madmojo.com Production blog.

July 2nd, 2005, 03:08 AM	#10
Andrew Oh Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 86	I'm very interested in the XL2 connecting kit. What is included? Thanks. Please contact me at ady145@yahoo.com

August 28th, 2005, 10:22 AM	#11
Dan Lim New Boot Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 24	Vertical line problem with vegas5 and Xl2 +mini35 Hi ! I want to show you the image ,but i dont know how ! How ? Daniel Limoges

August 28th, 2005, 11:34 AM	#12
Djee Smit Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Breda, Netherlands Posts: 141	make a printscreen cap while having this problem and upload the picture with, for instance, http://www.imagevenue.com/ at least, if that is what you mean __________________ www.wanah.nl

September 16th, 2005, 10:02 AM	#13
Dan Lim New Boot Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 24	here the image ...line in the sun http://img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?...tical_line.jpg Last edited by Dan Lim; September 16th, 2005 at 10:09 AM. Reason: vertical line

November 3rd, 2005, 07:45 AM	#14
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	Height of mini35 from base to XL2 platform? I'm not near my mini35 and need to know the height the mini35 will add to the XL2 for an undersling bracket I bought for a jib arm. Can someone measure the height from the bottom (base) of the mini35 to the base platform where the camera would go? Even better if someone has the complete height of XL2 with mini35 300 that would be even better. Thanks :) __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55

June 19th, 2006, 09:59 PM	#15
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	mini35 + NTSC XL2 for sale - Toronto/Rochester location! Looking to upgrade so time has come to sell! Low hours use mini35 series 300 with all trimmings and Canon XL2 NTSC with 0 hours use on stock lens and most Canon accessories still in box. I'm located in Toronto area and can demo equipment if necessary. Lenses not for sale at this time but may consider selling. Nikon f1.2 - f1.4 24mm, 35mm, 55mm 85mm lenses. Serious inquiries or offers please! email star @hy-way. com for other questions, info or pictures! Thank you! As far as price please make a reasonable offer if you are serious about buying this equipment. I paid close to $18,000 Canadian funds total back in the day. Please don't email me telling me I got ripped off and understand that the price reflects the dollar value/exchange rates at that time and in addition all appropriate taxes, import and duty fees. (Remember I'm in Canada!) Anyway price can be extremely subjective especially when dealing with goods manufactured in another country, imported to USA then resold to another country ie. Canada. so I just wanted to point that out in advance. Now that we're all clear... I will consider any reasonable offer made, let me know if you have any questions. For picture see: http://www.starcentral.ca/siteimages...g_blue_big.jpg To watch a 2 minute short titled Little Acorns shot entirely with this rig see http://www.starcentral.ca/images/bc/bc.htm __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55 Last edited by Dennis Hingsberg; June 20th, 2006 at 11:48 AM.