4:4:4 10bit single CMOS HD project

Frank Schoerner · July 15th, 2005, 03:08 PM

I am a little bit confused why Obin show us this DXV100 clip ? Why to hell in this thread? Its just a clip from a ordinary video cam. Ordinary video look, no cmos look, no 35mm look, no 4:4:4, no 10bit, so tell us why?

Frank Schoerner · July 15th, 2005, 03:20 PM

Obin, on what design you working now? Is it this old FPGA story, or your PC 4:4:4 10bit thread design?

Obin Olson · July 15th, 2005, 04:33 PM

Well frank this is no normal dvx video clip but, a dvx100A with a direct Pipe from the CCD's to a usb port on the side..I am also beta testing for reel-stream.com

jsut thought you guys would like to see it...it's 1280x720 8 or 10bit with NO compression..IMHO it's much better then the Panasonic VariCam.....

Obin Olson · July 15th, 2005, 04:36 PM

we are working a a big CGI shot using this "mod" on our dvx100A...I will post when it's done...looking VERY good, you could NEVER do what we are doing with standard old video like dv or dvcpro!

Matt Champagne · July 15th, 2005, 04:36 PM

This is very encouraging...the video on the reel-stream site is very choppy. I didn't think the progress was actually this far by now. Very nice looking footage.

Frank Schoerner · July 15th, 2005, 05:10 PM

Okay, i understand, but it is still a ccd and without 35mm dof.

But realstream is a big step in the right direction. COOL !!!

Work it with or without a PC?
Can you record direct to HDD?
One or two HDD?
3.5 or 2.5HDD?

Juan M. M. Fiebelkorn · July 18th, 2005, 07:14 AM

Question to all.
Why most of the people complain about CCds ??

Omar Saad · July 18th, 2005, 12:51 PM

Hi Obin, I just checked out the video and it looks amazing! Is there a thread discussing this mod or is this something that you have worked on without mentioning in detail on the board? Is the mod difficult? What kind of ccd's are you using and did you install them yourself? Anyhow it looks great and is a very exciting development.

thanks,
Omar

Matthew Wauhkonen · July 18th, 2005, 01:04 PM

The video looks awesome!

For your new device, are you using the Rockwell Altisens CMOS chip? I read that JVC is using it in their next camcorders and it looks amazing: 2/3'', 1920X1080, and with unusually good dynamic range.

Juan M. M. Fiebelkorn · July 18th, 2005, 04:44 PM

Am I stupid, or it's me almost the only one that understood that video was made using a PANASONIC DVX100 MODIFIED by REEL-STREAM (which Obin bought and is really happy with his great decision)????

Omar Saad · July 18th, 2005, 05:49 PM

I am probably the one who is confused....is the video clip shot in sd and then rezzed up to 720P? If so that I am shocked at how good it looks.

Aaron Shaw · July 18th, 2005, 08:39 PM

Nope. The guys at reel-stream manage to get a HD signal from the DVX using pixel shift that already exists in the chip setup!

Steven Fokkinga · July 19th, 2005, 07:44 AM

For info, you should go to www.reel-stream.com to find out all about this mod.

Obin: would it be an idea to post your results at their forum as well? People are dying to see some results there!

Steven

ps: footage looks super-clean!

Kyle Edwards · July 20th, 2005, 06:05 AM

Obin, I think 1280x852 would be the correct size to use.

Régine Weinberg · July 28th, 2005, 03:21 PM

Hi all
that was Juan did is the best thing so far.
CCD or CMOS is religion, CCD is better with low light, fact.

No 35 DOF, rubbish no -HD even build up from an
industrial cam with Altasens has WITHOUT any adapter 35 mm DOF, FACT.

There is no CMOS nor CCD out with 25 f/ps equivalent to 35mm film, fact.

IF yo do have the money go for a Viper with a Grass Valley Venom Flash Pak
that's a 4:4:4: RGB signal over dual HDSDI conection from the Viper in the flash pack. 10 minutes the same as a 1000 feetfilm reel. You should have three of them, nice pack.

There is Blu-Ray, data transfer rate max 36.5Mb/s Data capacity 23 GB.

Sony has Professional Disk with data transfer rate 72Mb/s (one head)
144Mb/s (two heads, write) 170 Mb/s (read) Data Capacity 23Gb.

Sony XDCAM family will use this disk, BUT different Media formats could be a repeat of the VHS/Betamax debacle, no thank's no need for.

So disk based is the only open and cheap way to go.

To be dependend of the P2 card is no good idea.
An USB disk connected to your Laptop and
your footage is just there as with P2 or any BLU-PROFESSIONEL-HD disk.

Resolution is one thing, low light, good optics, good handling, and colordepth is important, very important too. To upscale the Juan DVX100 pics should be easy. This cam with an decend simple to use, dead simple but genius 35mm adapter, WOW

July 19th, 2005, 07:44 AM	#2938
Steven Fokkinga Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 204	www.reel-stream.com For info, you should go to www.reel-stream.com to find out all about this mod. Obin: would it be an idea to post your results at their forum as well? People are dying to see some results there! Steven ps: footage looks super-clean!

July 28th, 2005, 03:21 PM	#2940
Régine Weinberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bordeaux, going to Bangkok, 2011 Posts: 232	Dvx 100 Hi all that was Juan did is the best thing so far. CCD or CMOS is religion, CCD is better with low light, fact. No 35 DOF, rubbish no -HD even build up from an industrial cam with Altasens has WITHOUT any adapter 35 mm DOF, FACT. There is no CMOS nor CCD out with 25 f/ps equivalent to 35mm film, fact. IF yo do have the money go for a Viper with a Grass Valley Venom Flash Pak that's a 4:4:4: RGB signal over dual HDSDI conection from the Viper in the flash pack. 10 minutes the same as a 1000 feetfilm reel. You should have three of them, nice pack. There is Blu-Ray, data transfer rate max 36.5Mb/s Data capacity 23 GB. Sony has Professional Disk with data transfer rate 72Mb/s (one head) 144Mb/s (two heads, write) 170 Mb/s (read) Data Capacity 23Gb. Sony XDCAM family will use this disk, BUT different Media formats could be a repeat of the VHS/Betamax debacle, no thank's no need for. So disk based is the only open and cheap way to go. To be dependend of the P2 card is no good idea. An USB disk connected to your Laptop and your footage is just there as with P2 or any BLU-PROFESSIONEL-HD disk. Resolution is one thing, low light, good optics, good handling, and colordepth is important, very important too. To upscale the Juan DVX100 pics should be easy. This cam with an decend simple to use, dead simple but genius 35mm adapter, WOW

July 15th, 2005, 03:08 PM	#2926
Frank Schoerner New Boot Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 15	I am a little bit confused why Obin show us this DXV100 clip ? Why to hell in this thread? Its just a clip from a ordinary video cam. Ordinary video look, no cmos look, no 35mm look, no 4:4:4, no 10bit, so tell us why?

July 15th, 2005, 03:20 PM	#2927
Frank Schoerner New Boot Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 15	Obin, on what design you working now? Is it this old FPGA story, or your PC 4:4:4 10bit thread design?

July 15th, 2005, 04:33 PM	#2928
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	Well frank this is no normal dvx video clip but, a dvx100A with a direct Pipe from the CCD's to a usb port on the side..I am also beta testing for reel-stream.com jsut thought you guys would like to see it...it's 1280x720 8 or 10bit with NO compression..IMHO it's much better then the Panasonic VariCam.....

July 15th, 2005, 04:36 PM	#2929
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	we are working a a big CGI shot using this "mod" on our dvx100A...I will post when it's done...looking VERY good, you could NEVER do what we are doing with standard old video like dv or dvcpro!

July 15th, 2005, 04:36 PM	#2930
Matt Champagne Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Iberia, LA Posts: 229	This is very encouraging...the video on the reel-stream site is very choppy. I didn't think the progress was actually this far by now. Very nice looking footage.

July 15th, 2005, 05:10 PM	#2931
Frank Schoerner New Boot Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 15	Okay, i understand, but it is still a ccd and without 35mm dof. But realstream is a big step in the right direction. COOL !!! Work it with or without a PC? Can you record direct to HDD? One or two HDD? 3.5 or 2.5HDD?

July 18th, 2005, 07:14 AM	#2932
Juan M. M. Fiebelkorn Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Buenos Aires , Argentina Posts: 444	Question to all. Why most of the people complain about CCds ??

July 18th, 2005, 12:51 PM	#2933
Omar Saad Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA Posts: 38	Hi Obin, I just checked out the video and it looks amazing! Is there a thread discussing this mod or is this something that you have worked on without mentioning in detail on the board? Is the mod difficult? What kind of ccd's are you using and did you install them yourself? Anyhow it looks great and is a very exciting development. thanks, Omar

July 18th, 2005, 01:04 PM	#2934
Matthew Wauhkonen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 285	The video looks awesome! For your new device, are you using the Rockwell Altisens CMOS chip? I read that JVC is using it in their next camcorders and it looks amazing: 2/3'', 1920X1080, and with unusually good dynamic range.

July 18th, 2005, 04:44 PM	#2935
Juan M. M. Fiebelkorn Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Buenos Aires , Argentina Posts: 444	Am I stupid, or it's me almost the only one that understood that video was made using a PANASONIC DVX100 MODIFIED by REEL-STREAM (which Obin bought and is really happy with his great decision)????

July 18th, 2005, 05:49 PM	#2936
Omar Saad Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA Posts: 38	I am probably the one who is confused....is the video clip shot in sd and then rezzed up to 720P? If so that I am shocked at how good it looks.

July 18th, 2005, 08:39 PM	#2937
Aaron Shaw Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 587	Nope. The guys at reel-stream manage to get a HD signal from the DVX using pixel shift that already exists in the chip setup!

July 20th, 2005, 06:05 AM	#2939
Kyle Edwards Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI, NY Posts: 274	Obin, I think 1280x852 would be the correct size to use.