upside down monitor solution

Nicholi Brossia · April 3rd, 2004, 04:16 AM

Brett, good news... you don't need the mirror mode to get a properly inverted and reverted image. I thought I had the setting on this whole time, but it was actually off. So you just have to figure out how to trick your DVX's lcd into flipping the image.

Alain Dumais · April 3rd, 2004, 10:29 AM

I did that after I have bouhgt a 2nd monitor and understand that all those monitor are crap , If I whant something good it's gone cost a lot. I knew that this is fesable but was just afraid to open the cover and broke something.
And I am more worry about anamorphique lens for the moment. ;¬)

It look's like my other post havent got your attention about this software, take a serious look to it .

http://www.leadtools.com/SDK/Multime...how-Rotate.htm

There is a demo version.This software can flip the image at the capture. $149

Brett I have try to send you the images you have ask me but it alway's bounce.
Alain

Joe Holt · April 3rd, 2004, 07:10 PM

Hey all,

I spent today working on my Sony PD100A (DVCAM version of TRV900). The flip out monitor is just like the VX2000. I ended up drilling a hole in the little cover plate shown in Alain's picture posted earlier. I use a filed-down finish nail to depress the little internal button. It works fine though I have to figure out a better way to keep the button depressed.

I also discovered that the inverted image is still reversed left for right so I'm now thinking about making a monitor hood with a glass mirror to completely correct the image. Sadly, I can't figure out a way to electronically reverse the image. I guess my Sony doesn't have a mirror setting for the monitor.

I look at correcting the image in the monitor only as a temporary fix until I can get a hold of a Sony engineer who'll spill the beans on how to internally modify the camera for inverted shooting. Well, at least I won't have to buy a crumby little LCD monitor. Any ideas or suggestions are always welcomed. Joe

Brett Erskine · April 5th, 2004, 06:57 PM

Turns out the DVX100 DOES have a mirror/normal option in it's menus. So the DVX users can completely correct their image BUT its important to note for all reading this thread that these changes only effect the camera's monitor and DO NOT correct the image being recorded to tape.

-Brett

Filip Kovcin · April 10th, 2004, 05:08 PM

maybe there is another solution for users who are working with the cameras where is no possibility to change mirror (left to right) option when using "pin inverter", like in sony pd100. you can make picture upside down, but not left-right

i checked that now with my pd100 camera. there is small part below that cover where the pin is inserted.

(alain, with your permition, i will use this as a reference)

http://www.kheops-tech.com/~ad3d/invert.jpg

so the idea is following:

1) the metal part which is switching monitor picture upside down and left/right is part of that turning ring where the monitor is conected to the camera body. ok. good for now, next.

2) you already drilled a hole for "pin inverter", like myself and many others, good.

and now, the best part...

3) CUT out that metal part!!!!! from the "ring" (it looks like hook)

you already have "pin inverter" - right - so you can make your picture any way you want, right? but not left/right? yes?

now you can - when you cut that metal part, turn your flip monitor upside down and nothing will happened.... no change at all!!!!

from now on - there is no mechanical part which will invert/revert the picture, he, he... and you receive proper image for your aldu/agus!

now you can push your flip monitor back, close to the camera body, so you can see it.

look at it and work "normally" i know that now you must look at the side which is littlebit confusing, but at least it's not oriented left/right.

isn't it great?

filip

Alain Dumais · April 10th, 2004, 08:56 PM

I notice yesterday that ,whit the pin insert ,when I go in a menu or custum setting the image flip left right. So there is certainly a way to do this by programing.

Alain

James Webb · April 11th, 2004, 07:17 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Brett Erskine : Turns out the DVX100 DOES have a mirror/normal option in it's menus... -->>>

Hey Brett, are you saying the "Normal/Mirror" setting in the DISPLAY SETUP flips the image in the LCD when set to Mirror? Mine doesn't.

Joe Holt · April 12th, 2004, 09:38 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Filip Kovcin : maybe there is another solution for users who are working with the cameras where is no possibility to change mirror (left to right) option when using "pin inverter", like in sony pd100. you can make picture upside down, but not left-right .....

isn't it great?

filip -->>>

Filip,
That is a great idea. I don't know if I'm ready to tear into the monitor mount enough to be able to remove the metal piece that switches to inverted mode. At least not just yet. I am working on an idea of a roof mirrored hood that might do the trick. If it works, anyone would be able to make one of these mirrored hoods to correct the image completely in the monitor without any surgery. I'll post it here when It's ready. I'm also checking some of the optic surpluss sites for a small image correcting prism for use with my viewfinder. Correcting the image in the viewfinder would make handholding an Aldu 35 more pleasant. Thanks again for the great idea. I might have to revert to doing the surgery after all. Nurse! Where's my scalpel!!! :>0

Joe

James Webb · April 12th, 2004, 10:09 AM

Since the purpose of the "mirror" function on the DVX is to be used in face-to-face shooting (SELFSHOOT), how would it help resolve the flipped image? It doesn't work unless the LCD monitor is flipped 180 degrees toward the lens.

Joel Corkin · April 28th, 2004, 04:38 PM

I'm going to eventually get a set of screwdrivers small enough to unscrew the two small screws on the pivot piece of the DVX100's LCD, to see whether there's anything in there that can be switched or tampered with.

Has anyone tried this on the DVX100 already?

Joel Corkin · April 28th, 2004, 06:19 PM

Hey Nicholi and everyone, I started experimenting and found a magnet near the LCD pivot on the DVX, just as Nicholi described on the GL2. Thanks for the link and for posting your response, Nicholi.

By placing my own little magnet in the appropriate spot I got the image to flip as needed. Thankfully I didn't have to dismantle the camera or anything. It's pretty easy to figure out, so I'm sure that anyone who read your post and tried for themselves figured this out too.

It's great that everyone can pitch in a nice little contribution to this effort every now and again, and that people here aren't hoarding discoveries to themselves. This latest tip will save DVX users and others a nice chunk of money by avoiding prismfinders or external LCDs for monitoring purposes. I'm glad that people here are willing to share their findings. It's a very positive thing.

Filip Kovcin · April 28th, 2004, 06:44 PM

this is great to hear - that dvx also have this magnetic trick! great to know.

filip

Brett Erskine · April 28th, 2004, 07:01 PM

Thanks! ...
...now where did I put thoughs damn screws..

-Brett Erskine

Nicholi Brossia · April 28th, 2004, 07:17 PM

That's great to hear Joel. I think tricking the lcd like this is much more presentable than a big upside down monitor and will look more professional during shoots.
Right now I'm just using my GL2, which I love, but that DVX100A is sure looking good.

James Webb · April 28th, 2004, 08:37 PM

Excellent!

April 3rd, 2004, 04:16 AM	#16
Nicholi Brossia Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 389	Brett, good news... you don't need the mirror mode to get a properly inverted and reverted image. I thought I had the setting on this whole time, but it was actually off. So you just have to figure out how to trick your DVX's lcd into flipping the image. __________________ Nicholi Brossia

April 3rd, 2004, 10:29 AM	#17
Alain Dumais Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 86	Filip Kovcin I did that after I have bouhgt a 2nd monitor and understand that all those monitor are crap , If I whant something good it's gone cost a lot. I knew that this is fesable but was just afraid to open the cover and broke something. And I am more worry about anamorphique lens for the moment. ;¬) It look's like my other post havent got your attention about this software, take a serious look to it . http://www.leadtools.com/SDK/Multime...how-Rotate.htm There is a demo version.This software can flip the image at the capture. $149 Brett I have try to send you the images you have ask me but it alway's bounce. Alain __________________ http://www.kheops-tech.com/~ad3d/

April 3rd, 2004, 07:10 PM	#18
Joe Holt Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sylva, North Carolina Posts: 153	PD100A inverted monitor Hey all, I spent today working on my Sony PD100A (DVCAM version of TRV900). The flip out monitor is just like the VX2000. I ended up drilling a hole in the little cover plate shown in Alain's picture posted earlier. I use a filed-down finish nail to depress the little internal button. It works fine though I have to figure out a better way to keep the button depressed. I also discovered that the inverted image is still reversed left for right so I'm now thinking about making a monitor hood with a glass mirror to completely correct the image. Sadly, I can't figure out a way to electronically reverse the image. I guess my Sony doesn't have a mirror setting for the monitor. I look at correcting the image in the monitor only as a temporary fix until I can get a hold of a Sony engineer who'll spill the beans on how to internally modify the camera for inverted shooting. Well, at least I won't have to buy a crumby little LCD monitor. Any ideas or suggestions are always welcomed. Joe

April 10th, 2004, 05:08 PM	#20
Filip Kovcin Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: warsaw, poland Posts: 440	to Joe Holt - another solutions maybe there is another solution for users who are working with the cameras where is no possibility to change mirror (left to right) option when using "pin inverter", like in sony pd100. you can make picture upside down, but not left-right i checked that now with my pd100 camera. there is small part below that cover where the pin is inserted. (alain, with your permition, i will use this as a reference) http://www.kheops-tech.com/~ad3d/invert.jpg so the idea is following: 1) the metal part which is switching monitor picture upside down and left/right is part of that turning ring where the monitor is conected to the camera body. ok. good for now, next. 2) you already drilled a hole for "pin inverter", like myself and many others, good. and now, the best part... 3) CUT out that metal part!!!!! from the "ring" (it looks like hook) you already have "pin inverter" - right - so you can make your picture any way you want, right? but not left/right? yes? now you can - when you cut that metal part, turn your flip monitor upside down and nothing will happened.... no change at all!!!! from now on - there is no mechanical part which will invert/revert the picture, he, he... and you receive proper image for your aldu/agus! now you can push your flip monitor back, close to the camera body, so you can see it. look at it and work "normally" i know that now you must look at the side which is littlebit confusing, but at least it's not oriented left/right. isn't it great? filip

April 10th, 2004, 08:56 PM	#21
Alain Dumais Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 86	Filip Kovcin I notice yesterday that ,whit the pin insert ,when I go in a menu or custum setting the image flip left right. So there is certainly a way to do this by programing. Alain __________________ http://www.kheops-tech.com/~ad3d/

April 5th, 2004, 06:57 PM	#19
Brett Erskine Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 445	Turns out the DVX100 DOES have a mirror/normal option in it's menus. So the DVX users can completely correct their image BUT its important to note for all reading this thread that these changes only effect the camera's monitor and DO NOT correct the image being recorded to tape. -Brett

April 11th, 2004, 07:17 PM	#22
James Webb Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 40	DXV100 and the "normal/mirror" setting <<<-- Originally posted by Brett Erskine : Turns out the DVX100 DOES have a mirror/normal option in it's menus... -->>> Hey Brett, are you saying the "Normal/Mirror" setting in the DISPLAY SETUP flips the image in the LCD when set to Mirror? Mine doesn't.

April 12th, 2004, 09:38 AM	#23
Joe Holt Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sylva, North Carolina Posts: 153	Re: to Joe Holt - another solutions <<<-- Originally posted by Filip Kovcin : maybe there is another solution for users who are working with the cameras where is no possibility to change mirror (left to right) option when using "pin inverter", like in sony pd100. you can make picture upside down, but not left-right ..... isn't it great? filip -->>> Filip, That is a great idea. I don't know if I'm ready to tear into the monitor mount enough to be able to remove the metal piece that switches to inverted mode. At least not just yet. I am working on an idea of a roof mirrored hood that might do the trick. If it works, anyone would be able to make one of these mirrored hoods to correct the image completely in the monitor without any surgery. I'll post it here when It's ready. I'm also checking some of the optic surpluss sites for a small image correcting prism for use with my viewfinder. Correcting the image in the viewfinder would make handholding an Aldu 35 more pleasant. Thanks again for the great idea. I might have to revert to doing the surgery after all. Nurse! Where's my scalpel!!! :>0 Joe

April 12th, 2004, 10:09 AM	#24
James Webb Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 40	DXV100 and the "normal/mirror" setting Since the purpose of the "mirror" function on the DVX is to be used in face-to-face shooting (SELFSHOOT), how would it help resolve the flipped image? It doesn't work unless the LCD monitor is flipped 180 degrees toward the lens.

April 28th, 2004, 04:38 PM	#25
Joel Corkin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto/L.A. Posts: 47	I'm going to eventually get a set of screwdrivers small enough to unscrew the two small screws on the pivot piece of the DVX100's LCD, to see whether there's anything in there that can be switched or tampered with. Has anyone tried this on the DVX100 already?

April 28th, 2004, 06:19 PM	#26
Joel Corkin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto/L.A. Posts: 47	Hey Nicholi and everyone, I started experimenting and found a magnet near the LCD pivot on the DVX, just as Nicholi described on the GL2. Thanks for the link and for posting your response, Nicholi. By placing my own little magnet in the appropriate spot I got the image to flip as needed. Thankfully I didn't have to dismantle the camera or anything. It's pretty easy to figure out, so I'm sure that anyone who read your post and tried for themselves figured this out too. It's great that everyone can pitch in a nice little contribution to this effort every now and again, and that people here aren't hoarding discoveries to themselves. This latest tip will save DVX users and others a nice chunk of money by avoiding prismfinders or external LCDs for monitoring purposes. I'm glad that people here are willing to share their findings. It's a very positive thing.

April 28th, 2004, 06:44 PM	#27
Filip Kovcin Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: warsaw, poland Posts: 440	this is great to hear - that dvx also have this magnetic trick! great to know. filip

April 28th, 2004, 07:01 PM	#28
Brett Erskine Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 445	Thanks! ... ...now where did I put thoughs damn screws.. -Brett Erskine

April 28th, 2004, 07:17 PM	#29
Nicholi Brossia Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 389	That's great to hear Joel. I think tricking the lcd like this is much more presentable than a big upside down monitor and will look more professional during shoots. Right now I'm just using my GL2, which I love, but that DVX100A is sure looking good. __________________ Nicholi Brossia

April 28th, 2004, 08:37 PM	#30
James Webb Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 40	little magnet trick Excellent!