Film resolution with the XL1S?

Charles Papert · June 8th, 2002, 11:28 AM

Busy is good, Justin. Good luck with the projects.

Brad Simmons · June 16th, 2002, 02:05 PM

Hello all,

I have just recently been reading up on these 35mm adapters and they sound great!

My question is this...

I have a Sony VX2000. I am thinking about renting one of these to try it out, but before I do, can anyone tell me if it is wise to attach one of these puppies on the VX? Anyone have any experience with this? Most of what I've heard has been related to the Canon XL1s.

Lets say I want the whole setup for my VX2000. How much is this adapter going to cost me?

Chris Hurd · June 16th, 2002, 04:07 PM

I don't think P+S Technik has one for the Sony VX2000. There is a smaller, older version for the Sony PC7 but I haven't heard much about it. The XL1 model is about $8000, and I think the PC7 version is around $5000 or $6000. Hope this helps,

Brad Simmons · June 16th, 2002, 08:44 PM

Yea Im kind of confused here. One site doesnt mention support for the VX2000, but this one here does

http://www.pstechnik.de/pstechnik.htm

"The Mini35Digital adapter is available for the Canon XL1, XL1s and the Sony DSR PD150, VX1000,VX2000"

Chris Hurd · June 16th, 2002, 10:05 PM

Must be new, haven't heard of this, so I imagine we'll hear more about it soon.

June 17th, 2002, 12:43 AM

How does footage from the mini35 look after it has been transfered to film. Too much grain? It there a way to use the Mini35 without the grain feature if you are going to do a transfer? Does this make any sense?

Chris Hurd · June 17th, 2002, 12:46 AM

The "grain feature" can be turned off... and I'm not sure yet whether most users of this adapter are going for final output on video or transfer to 35mm film. I'll try to find out from P+S Technik.

Charles Papert · June 17th, 2002, 01:06 AM

I'm not sure what you guys are referring to regarding a grain feature. The system uses a ground glass to focus the image from the lens, similar to the ground glasses used in optical viewfinding systems. The camera then rephotographs the image off the ground glass, which has a slight texture to it--this gives the image a "grainy" look which can be minimized by activating a motor that spins the ground glass to break up the fixed pattern.

I would be fascinated to see images from this system transferred to film and projected. The footage I have seen on video is very impressive.

Having just returned from seeing "Ivans XTC", an amazing film that was one of the first productions shot with the Sony 24P camera, I am reminded once again that Sony cameras don't seem to capture skin tones as nicely as the XL1.

Jacques Mersereau · July 22nd, 2002, 03:07 PM

This is one of the best signal to noise discussions I have
ever had the pleasure to read.

My thanks to everyone sharing their knowledge and experience!
(Let's not forget Mr. Hurd either.)

I was very taken with the PS adapter and film lens combo that
came into our video studio. I have requested that I get some
of the video produced from both the 35mm film lens zeiss/PS Technik/XL1s combo and the Arri SR 16mm film camera that did this talking heads shoot.

If they ever actually get it to me, I will try and post some comparisions
for you guys. The crew is due back in August, so the video may
not be around for a couple of months. When they return, I will try and
get the exact make and model of that lens they had hooked up to the PS.

June 8th, 2002, 11:28 AM	#16
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Busy is good, Justin. Good luck with the projects. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

June 16th, 2002, 02:05 PM	#17
Brad Simmons Major Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Washington DC Posts: 304	Hello all, I have just recently been reading up on these 35mm adapters and they sound great! My question is this... I have a Sony VX2000. I am thinking about renting one of these to try it out, but before I do, can anyone tell me if it is wise to attach one of these puppies on the VX? Anyone have any experience with this? Most of what I've heard has been related to the Canon XL1s. Lets say I want the whole setup for my VX2000. How much is this adapter going to cost me? __________________ http://www.fusionarena.com

June 16th, 2002, 04:07 PM	#18
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	I don't think P+S Technik has one for the Sony VX2000. There is a smaller, older version for the Sony PC7 but I haven't heard much about it. The XL1 model is about $8000, and I think the PC7 version is around $5000 or $6000. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

June 16th, 2002, 08:44 PM	#19
Brad Simmons Major Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Washington DC Posts: 304	Yea Im kind of confused here. One site doesnt mention support for the VX2000, but this one here does http://www.pstechnik.de/pstechnik.htm "The Mini35Digital adapter is available for the Canon XL1, XL1s and the Sony DSR PD150, VX1000,VX2000" __________________ http://www.fusionarena.com

June 16th, 2002, 10:05 PM	#20
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Must be new, haven't heard of this, so I imagine we'll hear more about it soon. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

June 17th, 2002, 12:43 AM	#21
HarlanAnderson Posts: n/a	Grain, Film Transfer, and Mini35 How does footage from the mini35 look after it has been transfered to film. Too much grain? It there a way to use the Mini35 without the grain feature if you are going to do a transfer? Does this make any sense?

June 17th, 2002, 12:46 AM	#22
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	The "grain feature" can be turned off... and I'm not sure yet whether most users of this adapter are going for final output on video or transfer to 35mm film. I'll try to find out from P+S Technik. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

June 17th, 2002, 01:06 AM	#23
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	I'm not sure what you guys are referring to regarding a grain feature. The system uses a ground glass to focus the image from the lens, similar to the ground glasses used in optical viewfinding systems. The camera then rephotographs the image off the ground glass, which has a slight texture to it--this gives the image a "grainy" look which can be minimized by activating a motor that spins the ground glass to break up the fixed pattern. I would be fascinated to see images from this system transferred to film and projected. The footage I have seen on video is very impressive. Having just returned from seeing "Ivans XTC", an amazing film that was one of the first productions shot with the Sony 24P camera, I am reminded once again that Sony cameras don't seem to capture skin tones as nicely as the XL1. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

July 22nd, 2002, 03:07 PM	#24
Jacques Mersereau Trustee Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,334	This is one of the best signal to noise discussions I have ever had the pleasure to read. My thanks to everyone sharing their knowledge and experience! (Let's not forget Mr. Hurd either.) I was very taken with the PS adapter and film lens combo that came into our video studio. I have requested that I get some of the video produced from both the 35mm film lens zeiss/PS Technik/XL1s combo and the Arri SR 16mm film camera that did this talking heads shoot. If they ever actually get it to me, I will try and post some comparisions for you guys. The crew is due back in August, so the video may not be around for a couple of months. When they return, I will try and get the exact make and model of that lens they had hooked up to the PS. __________________ Jacques Mersereau University of Michigan-Video Studio Manager