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Robert Malin · September 19th, 2003, 06:35 AM

This devide is all talked up with no online meterial!
End of the story.
When someone throws some online meterial online so everyone can see it then well have something to talk about.
Im getting the dvd so ill try to rip it and put some online meterial on the net.
Why hasnt this company added some online video samples if this product is so great?
Im not putting this product down, im actually verry interested in it but the question does still remain"Why no online footage when your marketing an accessory for a digital cam corder?"

Jeff Donald · September 19th, 2003, 07:21 AM

The problem is online material is usually severely compressed. It is difficult to sell a product that promises improved picture quality and their online material looks like VHS or worse. If they post small downloads they are still 100's of MB in size and not practical for download. The sample DVD is the way to go. Good luck and let us know how it looks. Also please be aware of any copyrights on the DVD footage you receive.

Nathan Gifford · September 19th, 2003, 07:27 AM

Jeff is right. The Internet is just not capable of the resolution required to put even a small sample of these units can do.

Chris Hurd · September 19th, 2003, 08:46 AM

Robert -- the video clips are ALREADY online. I've hosted them for almost a year now. See them for yourself at http://www.dvinfo.net/media/mini35/ -- end of story. Hope this helps,

Mizell Wilson · September 19th, 2003, 09:49 AM

Robert,

All of the above answers basically put it on the table. As you can see from the downloads, they're small, take a while to download, even on broadband, and are not representative of what the Mini35 can do.

The DVD is the best way to go, unfortunately I don't seem to have you on my list to recieve one. If you could please send your postal address to me at mizell@zgc.com I'll make sure I'll get one out to you.

mizel

Charles King · September 19th, 2003, 11:26 AM

I saw the demo Chris. Boy!! The photage is awesome. You guys gotta check ou the clips that Chris uploaded. Really Really awesome. Now that's want I'mm talking about. For some odd reason it looks better than the usual mini 35mm that everyone knows today - Strange. Well , check it out for yourself. Download the one that says 'Mini 35-demo'

Robert Malin · September 19th, 2003, 08:55 PM

I emailed chris from the mini 35 web site with my name an address and was told the dvd would be in the mail.

9/16/03

Hi Robert,

Thanks for the interest in the P&S Technik adapter. At the moment we have
a DVD available with footage of the Canon XL and the Mini35.
We are currently working on some footage with the Panasonic camera and hope
to have it available sometime in October.
I will get the DVD out to you this morning.

Due to the image quality improvement that you get with Prime lenses or even
the still lenses that can be mounted to the adapter, there would be no
reason to use the existing video lenses with the adapter. We don't
actually have any side by side comparisons with the regular DV cameras
and the Mini35 set up, but once you see the images captured on the DVD
you'll understand the buzz about the adapter.

If you have any questions on the adapter or if we can be of further
assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Warm regards,
Christine Brnic
ZGC, Inc.
973.335.4460
chris@zgc.com
www.zgc.com

Robert Malin
P.O. box 1341
Brighton,MI 48116
USA

Robert Malin · September 19th, 2003, 08:58 PM

Charles,
whats this supposed to mean? Im not sure what your trying to say.
quote:
""For some odd reason it looks better than the usual mini 35mm that everyone knows today - Strange"
thanks,
rob

Robert Malin · September 19th, 2003, 09:08 PM

Chris hurd,
I have nothing bad to say about your demos on your site :) all of the images look great and i cant wait till i recieve the dvd so i can preview the true quality of the video.
I hope the dvd thats being sent is in english however.
Im supposed to give a presentation on your product to american filmmakers in michigan and it would be embarasing showing a film in a languge no one understands at the meeting.
Im sure the marketers are smart enough to know that if their marketing a product nationaly that their going to want to present the product in the customers native language. :) cheers

Alex Knappenberger · September 19th, 2003, 09:26 PM

Wow, I am BLOWN AWAY by them internet samples. I can't even began to describe how importat the shallow DOF is, after watching them, wowzers. That adapter costs like 8 grand though, whew, heh.

I could tell it was DV, by the not so good dynamic range (highlights being blown out) but it still fooled me into thinking it was film. :D

Heh, anyone in my area own this with a XL1? You'd be my new best friend, haha.

Keith Loh · September 19th, 2003, 09:34 PM

Chris Hurd, as far as I know, has no stake in P+S Technik. He is the owner and operator of this board and is just providing space so we can all see these demo samples of this interesting product.

As for the language, the company is a German company marketing internationally and so far with decent success. It is my experience that most German companies bend over backwards to serve the English market; I wonder if this is the case for American companies marketing in the German language?

The proof of this product is in the images, not the language of presentation. If I was showing off the demo I might actually turn down the audio completely so that all attention is on the images, not on the narration and hyped up soundtrack.

Charles King · September 19th, 2003, 09:35 PM

Rob, I was excited after watching the clips that Chris had posted made by the adapter made by the German base company, you were refering to. I was just making a blind eyed comparison between the mini 35mm that is available today and the one that was used with the camera that made those clips. That's all.

Gerald Lee · September 20th, 2003, 04:22 AM

Everyone keeps talking about how the dvd footage is the only way to view the true power of mini35+xl1, but isn't DVD compressed as well? Mpeg2 footage isn't that large, even at 9.8 mbit it's not like it's impossible to upload a 5 second clip.

Jeff Donald · September 20th, 2003, 04:55 AM

Chris does have clips on the site (see the link above). But if I were thinking of spending $8,000 or more (got to think lenses too), a 5 second clip is hardly long enough to show a products capability.

Robert Malin · September 20th, 2003, 08:19 AM

Gerald,

I would have to agree!

If you compress a video right and post it on the net you can get pretty accurate results.

Check out this short video of the cinealta
Id have to say it looks pretty exceptional.

http://www.texashighdef.com/768art.wmv

September 19th, 2003, 06:35 AM	#1
Robert Malin New Boot Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: michigan Posts: 7	All TALK !! This devide is all talked up with no online meterial! End of the story. When someone throws some online meterial online so everyone can see it then well have something to talk about. Im getting the dvd so ill try to rip it and put some online meterial on the net. Why hasnt this company added some online video samples if this product is so great? Im not putting this product down, im actually verry interested in it but the question does still remain"Why no online footage when your marketing an accessory for a digital cam corder?" __________________ http://www.michiganfilmmakers.com

September 19th, 2003, 07:21 AM	#2
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	The problem is online material is usually severely compressed. It is difficult to sell a product that promises improved picture quality and their online material looks like VHS or worse. If they post small downloads they are still 100's of MB in size and not practical for download. The sample DVD is the way to go. Good luck and let us know how it looks. Also please be aware of any copyrights on the DVD footage you receive. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 19th, 2003, 07:27 AM	#3
Nathan Gifford Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tickfaw, LA Posts: 1,217	Jeff is right. The Internet is just not capable of the resolution required to put even a small sample of these units can do. __________________ Nathan Gifford Southern Cyclist Magazine & Productions For quick answers try our Search! To see me and Rob Lohman click here

September 19th, 2003, 08:46 AM	#4
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Robert -- the video clips are ALREADY online. I've hosted them for almost a year now. See them for yourself at http://www.dvinfo.net/media/mini35/ -- end of story. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 19th, 2003, 09:49 AM	#5
Mizell Wilson Sales: Reflecmedia Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Linden, NJ Posts: 147	Robert, All of the above answers basically put it on the table. As you can see from the downloads, they're small, take a while to download, even on broadband, and are not representative of what the Mini35 can do. The DVD is the best way to go, unfortunately I don't seem to have you on my list to recieve one. If you could please send your postal address to me at mizell@zgc.com I'll make sure I'll get one out to you. mizel __________________ Posts before Feb 2004 were on behalf of ZGC, afterwards they're all mine!

September 19th, 2003, 11:26 AM	#6
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	I saw the demo Chris. Boy!! The photage is awesome. You guys gotta check ou the clips that Chris uploaded. Really Really awesome. Now that's want I'mm talking about. For some odd reason it looks better than the usual mini 35mm that everyone knows today - Strange. Well , check it out for yourself. Download the one that says 'Mini 35-demo' __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

September 19th, 2003, 08:55 PM	#7
Robert Malin New Boot Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: michigan Posts: 7	On the list I emailed chris from the mini 35 web site with my name an address and was told the dvd would be in the mail. 9/16/03 Hi Robert, Thanks for the interest in the P&S Technik adapter. At the moment we have a DVD available with footage of the Canon XL and the Mini35. We are currently working on some footage with the Panasonic camera and hope to have it available sometime in October. I will get the DVD out to you this morning. Due to the image quality improvement that you get with Prime lenses or even the still lenses that can be mounted to the adapter, there would be no reason to use the existing video lenses with the adapter. We don't actually have any side by side comparisons with the regular DV cameras and the Mini35 set up, but once you see the images captured on the DVD you'll understand the buzz about the adapter. If you have any questions on the adapter or if we can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us. Warm regards, Christine Brnic ZGC, Inc. 973.335.4460 chris@zgc.com www.zgc.com Robert Malin P.O. box 1341 Brighton,MI 48116 USA __________________ http://www.michiganfilmmakers.com

September 19th, 2003, 08:58 PM	#8
Robert Malin New Boot Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: michigan Posts: 7	whats this? Charles, whats this supposed to mean? Im not sure what your trying to say. quote: ""For some odd reason it looks better than the usual mini 35mm that everyone knows today - Strange" thanks, rob __________________ http://www.michiganfilmmakers.com

September 19th, 2003, 09:08 PM	#9
Robert Malin New Boot Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: michigan Posts: 7	Chris Chris hurd, I have nothing bad to say about your demos on your site :) all of the images look great and i cant wait till i recieve the dvd so i can preview the true quality of the video. I hope the dvd thats being sent is in english however. Im supposed to give a presentation on your product to american filmmakers in michigan and it would be embarasing showing a film in a languge no one understands at the meeting. Im sure the marketers are smart enough to know that if their marketing a product nationaly that their going to want to present the product in the customers native language. :) cheers __________________ http://www.michiganfilmmakers.com

September 19th, 2003, 09:26 PM	#10
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	Wow, I am BLOWN AWAY by them internet samples. I can't even began to describe how importat the shallow DOF is, after watching them, wowzers. That adapter costs like 8 grand though, whew, heh. I could tell it was DV, by the not so good dynamic range (highlights being blown out) but it still fooled me into thinking it was film. :D Heh, anyone in my area own this with a XL1? You'd be my new best friend, haha.

September 19th, 2003, 09:34 PM	#11
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	Chris Hurd, as far as I know, has no stake in P+S Technik. He is the owner and operator of this board and is just providing space so we can all see these demo samples of this interesting product. As for the language, the company is a German company marketing internationally and so far with decent success. It is my experience that most German companies bend over backwards to serve the English market; I wonder if this is the case for American companies marketing in the German language? The proof of this product is in the images, not the language of presentation. If I was showing off the demo I might actually turn down the audio completely so that all attention is on the images, not on the narration and hyped up soundtrack. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

September 19th, 2003, 09:35 PM	#12
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	Rob, I was excited after watching the clips that Chris had posted made by the adapter made by the German base company, you were refering to. I was just making a blind eyed comparison between the mini 35mm that is available today and the one that was used with the camera that made those clips. That's all. __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

September 20th, 2003, 04:22 AM	#13
Gerald Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 64	Everyone keeps talking about how the dvd footage is the only way to view the true power of mini35+xl1, but isn't DVD compressed as well? Mpeg2 footage isn't that large, even at 9.8 mbit it's not like it's impossible to upload a 5 second clip.

September 20th, 2003, 04:55 AM	#14
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Chris does have clips on the site (see the link above). But if I were thinking of spending $8,000 or more (got to think lenses too), a 5 second clip is hardly long enough to show a products capability. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 20th, 2003, 08:19 AM	#15
Robert Malin New Boot Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: michigan Posts: 7	yep Gerald, I would have to agree! If you compress a video right and post it on the net you can get pretty accurate results. Check out this short video of the cinealta Id have to say it looks pretty exceptional. http://www.texashighdef.com/768art.wmv __________________ http://www.michiganfilmmakers.com