SGblade - photos of production version at DVinfo.net

Wayne Kinney · January 20th, 2009, 02:29 PM

Hi Guys,

Here are some photos showing the production version of the SGblade with the new Rods Support System. We are getting close to shipping the first batch :D

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Comments Welcome :)

Bob Hart · January 20th, 2009, 09:32 PM

Wayne.

It appears that the elves have been very hard at work in the dungeon. In appearance and presentation you have done well, a visually attractive package.

Out of curiosity, do you continue to recover a relatively large piece of the image area of the still-camera frame?

Wayne Kinney · January 21st, 2009, 02:50 AM

Thanks Bob,

The Image area is 36x20, which is full frame in 16:9.

Christopher Witz · January 21st, 2009, 07:18 AM

very sexy! I want one!

Bob Hart · January 21st, 2009, 07:35 AM

Wayne.

36mm x 20mm. That then puts you in the possible realm of 35mm into the SI2K if the resolution from your groundglass holds up as well as the evenness of light across the groundglass to the wider sensor.

The angles of incidence at the far edges must be a bit steeper than for a 1/3" sensor. There seems to be more of a tendency for brightness falloff for the same field of view of the groundglass.

45mm relay seems to be about the most predictable across a range of stills lenses for relay on the Letus Extreme and may hold true for your adaptor onto a 2/3" single sensor.

Chris Barcellos · January 21st, 2009, 02:05 PM

"The angles of incidence at the far edges must be a bit steeper than for a 1/3" sensor. There seems to be more of a tendency for brightness falloff for the same field of view of the groundglass. "

I was ponderting this, and I thought we may not notice it as much on 35mm film cameras because film has a wider latitude. Does that make any sense ?

Bob Hart · January 21st, 2009, 05:23 PM

My guess is that the crystal grain structure of film emulsions has something to do with it. Each grain has multiple facets, one of which must face almost directly towards the incident angle, therefore harvests the light more effectively.

I also guess this is why there is the "grain" structure evident in film image when it is blown up enough.

Some crystals in centre do not take such a light hit head-on as others.

This might explain the ability of film to see deeper into blacks and tolerate over-exposure, film maybe having an inherent multiple ISO rating in its structure rather than a single number

If each pixel was a multifaceted diamond shape a sensor might work more like like film.

My wild imaginings here, no proven science whatever.

I was looking at some meduim format paper printed portrait enlargements yesterday from the seventies. That stuff was good wasn't it.

Chris Barcellos · January 21st, 2009, 09:34 PM

"I was looking at some meduim format paper printed portrait enlargements yesterday from the seventies. That stuff was good wasn't it."

I keep looking a my Kowa 6 sitting on the shelf, not getting any use, and wonder about building an adapter to use those lenses. Alas, I think I have enough problem keeping a 35mm lens in focus, that with the 6x6 lens, it would likely be a real bear...., and a heavy rig at that.

Karel Bata · January 22nd, 2009, 08:29 AM

Wayne, what kind of price will that elegant piece of kit be going at?

Wayne Kinney · January 22nd, 2009, 12:04 PM

Hi,

Online ordering and full pricing info is on our website.

Bob Hart · January 22nd, 2009, 09:07 PM

Chis.

Regarding the Kowa lenses.

You may be already aware, Ted Ramasola has already been there done that with medium format via a home made adaptor and one of Wayne's achromats.

The larger format gives you a distinct apparent resolution gain through scaling the "grain" smaller relative to the frame size, even if you have to sacrifice some of the image area to get inside brightness falloff.

I think the limited lens choices moved him back to 35mm stills Nikons. He kept his options open by making his adaptor dual format.

Justin Nguyen · January 26th, 2009, 08:36 PM

Hey Wayne those look fantastic! I really love the colorway.

Phil Bloom · January 28th, 2009, 04:00 PM

How soon before they ship Wayne?

Look sexy as hell!

Wayne Kinney · January 28th, 2009, 04:08 PM

Hi Phil,

Hope to get them out the door next week :)

Phil Bloom · January 28th, 2009, 04:09 PM

it's like waiting for a kitten or puppy to be old enough so you can take it home!

Hope they are house trained!

January 20th, 2009, 02:29 PM	#1
Wayne Kinney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 938	SGblade - photos of production version Hi Guys, Here are some photos showing the production version of the SGblade with the new Rods Support System. We are getting close to shipping the first batch :D Click Here for bigger version http://www.sgpro.co.uk/bladeonrods_small.jpg Click Here for bigger version http://www.sgpro.co.uk/bladeflipped01_small.jpg Click Here for bigger version http://www.sgpro.co.uk/bladeflipped02_small.jpg Click Here for bigger version http://www.sgpro.co.uk/bladenonflipped01_small.jpg Comments Welcome :) __________________ Thanks, Wayne.

January 21st, 2009, 02:50 AM	#3
Wayne Kinney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 938	Thanks Bob, The Image area is 36x20, which is full frame in 16:9. __________________ Thanks, Wayne.

January 21st, 2009, 02:05 PM	#6
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	"The angles of incidence at the far edges must be a bit steeper than for a 1/3" sensor. There seems to be more of a tendency for brightness falloff for the same field of view of the groundglass. " I was ponderting this, and I thought we may not notice it as much on 35mm film cameras because film has a wider latitude. Does that make any sense ? __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

January 21st, 2009, 09:34 PM	#8
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	"I was looking at some meduim format paper printed portrait enlargements yesterday from the seventies. That stuff was good wasn't it." I keep looking a my Kowa 6 sitting on the shelf, not getting any use, and wonder about building an adapter to use those lenses. Alas, I think I have enough problem keeping a 35mm lens in focus, that with the 6x6 lens, it would likely be a real bear...., and a heavy rig at that. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

January 22nd, 2009, 08:29 AM	#9
Karel Bata Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: London, Antarctica Posts: 199	Wayne, what kind of price will that elegant piece of kit be going at? __________________ What are the Alternatives to YouTube?

January 20th, 2009, 09:32 PM	#2
Bob Hart Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA. Posts: 4,477	Wayne. It appears that the elves have been very hard at work in the dungeon. In appearance and presentation you have done well, a visually attractive package. Out of curiosity, do you continue to recover a relatively large piece of the image area of the still-camera frame?

January 21st, 2009, 07:18 AM	#4
Christopher Witz Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 591	very sexy! I want one!

January 21st, 2009, 07:35 AM	#5
Bob Hart Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA. Posts: 4,477	Wayne. 36mm x 20mm. That then puts you in the possible realm of 35mm into the SI2K if the resolution from your groundglass holds up as well as the evenness of light across the groundglass to the wider sensor. The angles of incidence at the far edges must be a bit steeper than for a 1/3" sensor. There seems to be more of a tendency for brightness falloff for the same field of view of the groundglass. 45mm relay seems to be about the most predictable across a range of stills lenses for relay on the Letus Extreme and may hold true for your adaptor onto a 2/3" single sensor.

January 21st, 2009, 05:23 PM	#7
Bob Hart Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA. Posts: 4,477	My guess is that the crystal grain structure of film emulsions has something to do with it. Each grain has multiple facets, one of which must face almost directly towards the incident angle, therefore harvests the light more effectively. I also guess this is why there is the "grain" structure evident in film image when it is blown up enough. Some crystals in centre do not take such a light hit head-on as others. This might explain the ability of film to see deeper into blacks and tolerate over-exposure, film maybe having an inherent multiple ISO rating in its structure rather than a single number If each pixel was a multifaceted diamond shape a sensor might work more like like film. My wild imaginings here, no proven science whatever. I was looking at some meduim format paper printed portrait enlargements yesterday from the seventies. That stuff was good wasn't it.

January 22nd, 2009, 12:04 PM	#10
Wayne Kinney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 938	Hi, Online ordering and full pricing info is on our website. __________________ Thanks, Wayne.

January 22nd, 2009, 09:07 PM	#11
Bob Hart Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA. Posts: 4,477	Chis. Regarding the Kowa lenses. You may be already aware, Ted Ramasola has already been there done that with medium format via a home made adaptor and one of Wayne's achromats. The larger format gives you a distinct apparent resolution gain through scaling the "grain" smaller relative to the frame size, even if you have to sacrifice some of the image area to get inside brightness falloff. I think the limited lens choices moved him back to 35mm stills Nikons. He kept his options open by making his adaptor dual format. Last edited by Bob Hart; January 22nd, 2009 at 09:08 PM. Reason: error

January 26th, 2009, 08:36 PM	#12
Justin Nguyen New Boot Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Irvine, Ca Posts: 7	Hey Wayne those look fantastic! I really love the colorway.

January 28th, 2009, 04:00 PM	#13
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	How soon before they ship Wayne? Look sexy as hell! __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

January 28th, 2009, 04:08 PM	#14
Wayne Kinney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 938	Hi Phil, Hope to get them out the door next week :) __________________ Thanks, Wayne.

January 28th, 2009, 04:09 PM	#15
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	it's like waiting for a kitten or puppy to be old enough so you can take it home! Hope they are house trained! __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net