best DIGITAL extreme SLOW MOTION option? at DVinfo.net

Eric Gorski · January 21st, 2008, 08:33 PM

hey,
is there a good option for burst capture of extreme slow motion at close to high definition resolution? like 300fps or higher?

i've been away from the boards for awhile but i recall a few years ago people were experimenting with imaging systems designed for scientific purposes that could capture direct to disk at high speed... i wouldn't mind lugging a full pc/capture card system around if it was just for a few specific slow-mo shots.

..i've also noticed that there are some digital still cameras that are getting very close to achieving some nice slow-mo burst acquisition, but none of them seem to be quite there..

if anyone has been keeping tabs on this stuff, any info would be appreciated.

thanks,
eric

Emre Safak · January 21st, 2008, 08:41 PM

In the consumer market, the Casio EXILIM Pro EX-F1 (1200fps) made a splash...

Eric Gorski · January 21st, 2008, 08:47 PM

that casio is pretty cool.. the problem is that the 300fps is only hitting at 500x300 resolution..

if it just had a higher res slow-mo burst ablility it would be a no brainer.

John Papadopoulos · January 21st, 2008, 09:31 PM

We are talking about direct to memory at these speeds. Direct to disk is not very fast.

http://compumodules.com/image-proces...0arbeit_02.pdf

Eric Gorski · January 22nd, 2008, 04:24 AM

right, direct to memory. that motionblitz camera looks sick. i emailed some people for quotes, but i have a sneaking suspicion it awfully expensive.

Eric Gorski · January 24th, 2008, 02:24 PM

got a quote. the motionblitz cube4 camera starts at $29,000. thats for monochrome, 1.5 sec record time, without lens. the slowmotion from it looks amazing but its a tad out of my price range. i was hoping for something under $2000.

John Papadopoulos · January 24th, 2008, 02:59 PM

You can use these cameras to change speed by extremely large factors. You can film a very small explosion on a tiny set and make it look like a huge one. A single project (even a single effects sequence) can pay for one of these cameras really for those who need the power. A camera like this only sells a few pieces and those have to cover the development cost which is very high. $2000 was a very unrealistic expectation! That gets you a very cheap consumer HDV camcorder perhaps. With 1/3" 60fps compressed cameras that sell by the thousands and still cost $8,000 or $10,000, how can you expect $2,000?

Eric Gorski · January 24th, 2008, 07:44 PM

i haven't been following the development of high speed cameras for the past few years. when i was a few years ago people were getting very close to retasking low cost cameras created for scientific purposes to perform as tools for independent film makers..

in 2004 people were very close.. that's four years ago.. i was hoping that someone took that torch and ran with it. i don't think $2000 is unrealistic. people have been messing around with high-quality sumix cameras that cost less then $1000 and getting very good results.

look at what this guys was doing back in november of 2004:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...ght=fists+dawn
http://www.purposelabs.com/

i thought in four years there might have been some advancements. i appreciate your help john and if i had enough money that motionblitz camera looks like a very stable and functional piece of equipment.

John Papadopoulos · January 25th, 2008, 01:57 AM

24fps is different from 1000fps! It's a lot of data. We are also talking about very large sensors in these high speed applications.

Thomas Barthle Jr. · January 25th, 2008, 07:26 AM

Don't know why not many people are talking about this product: Vision Research

http://www.visionresearch.com/index....ts&prodcatid=7

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Noah Yuan-Vogel · January 25th, 2008, 02:47 PM

my guess would be the price. i recall most of vision research's products costing at least $100k...

John Papadopoulos · January 25th, 2008, 02:48 PM

The Photon models are considered high end. I hear of these a lot.

Kevin Shaw · January 26th, 2008, 04:06 AM

I looked around and found a mention of "realviz re-timer" software as one way to tackle this problem, with a price reportedly about $1500.

Take Vos · January 26th, 2008, 05:21 AM

I asked at visionresearch if you can rent the cameras, and you can (at least here in the Netherlands), the camera also is accompanied by an operator. For a one day shoot this may be in the reach of your budget.

Eric Ramahatra · January 26th, 2008, 03:00 PM

god ! what would be the price of such camera ?!

January 21st, 2008, 08:33 PM	#1
Eric Gorski Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Western Oregon Posts: 138	best DIGITAL extreme SLOW MOTION option? hey, is there a good option for burst capture of extreme slow motion at close to high definition resolution? like 300fps or higher? i've been away from the boards for awhile but i recall a few years ago people were experimenting with imaging systems designed for scientific purposes that could capture direct to disk at high speed... i wouldn't mind lugging a full pc/capture card system around if it was just for a few specific slow-mo shots. ..i've also noticed that there are some digital still cameras that are getting very close to achieving some nice slow-mo burst acquisition, but none of them seem to be quite there.. if anyone has been keeping tabs on this stuff, any info would be appreciated. thanks, eric

January 26th, 2008, 05:21 AM	#14
Take Vos Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Amsterdam The Netherlands Posts: 200	I asked at visionresearch if you can rent the cameras, and you can (at least here in the Netherlands), the camera also is accompanied by an operator. For a one day shoot this may be in the reach of your budget. __________________ VOSGAMES, http://www.vosgames.nl/ developer of Boom Recorder and Mirage Recorder

January 26th, 2008, 03:00 PM	#15
Eric Ramahatra Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Paris Posts: 72	god ! what would be the price of such camera ?! __________________ JVC HD200+redrock M2+1.4 lens+steadicam Flyer mini35 weddings

January 21st, 2008, 08:41 PM	#2
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	In the consumer market, the Casio EXILIM Pro EX-F1 (1200fps) made a splash...

January 21st, 2008, 08:47 PM	#3
Eric Gorski Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Western Oregon Posts: 138	that casio is pretty cool.. the problem is that the 300fps is only hitting at 500x300 resolution.. if it just had a higher res slow-mo burst ablility it would be a no brainer.

January 21st, 2008, 09:31 PM	#4
John Papadopoulos Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 336	We are talking about direct to memory at these speeds. Direct to disk is not very fast. http://compumodules.com/image-proces...0arbeit_02.pdf

January 22nd, 2008, 04:24 AM	#5
Eric Gorski Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Western Oregon Posts: 138	right, direct to memory. that motionblitz camera looks sick. i emailed some people for quotes, but i have a sneaking suspicion it awfully expensive.

January 24th, 2008, 02:24 PM	#6
Eric Gorski Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Western Oregon Posts: 138	got a quote. the motionblitz cube4 camera starts at $29,000. thats for monochrome, 1.5 sec record time, without lens. the slowmotion from it looks amazing but its a tad out of my price range. i was hoping for something under $2000.

January 24th, 2008, 02:59 PM	#7
John Papadopoulos Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 336	You can use these cameras to change speed by extremely large factors. You can film a very small explosion on a tiny set and make it look like a huge one. A single project (even a single effects sequence) can pay for one of these cameras really for those who need the power. A camera like this only sells a few pieces and those have to cover the development cost which is very high. $2000 was a very unrealistic expectation! That gets you a very cheap consumer HDV camcorder perhaps. With 1/3" 60fps compressed cameras that sell by the thousands and still cost $8,000 or $10,000, how can you expect $2,000?

January 24th, 2008, 07:44 PM	#8
Eric Gorski Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Western Oregon Posts: 138	i haven't been following the development of high speed cameras for the past few years. when i was a few years ago people were getting very close to retasking low cost cameras created for scientific purposes to perform as tools for independent film makers.. in 2004 people were very close.. that's four years ago.. i was hoping that someone took that torch and ran with it. i don't think $2000 is unrealistic. people have been messing around with high-quality sumix cameras that cost less then $1000 and getting very good results. look at what this guys was doing back in november of 2004: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...ght=fists+dawn http://www.purposelabs.com/ i thought in four years there might have been some advancements. i appreciate your help john and if i had enough money that motionblitz camera looks like a very stable and functional piece of equipment.

January 25th, 2008, 01:57 AM	#9
John Papadopoulos Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 336	24fps is different from 1000fps! It's a lot of data. We are also talking about very large sensors in these high speed applications.

January 25th, 2008, 07:26 AM	#10
Thomas Barthle Jr. Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 86	Don't know why not many people are talking about this product: Vision Research http://www.visionresearch.com/index....ts&prodcatid=7 v

January 25th, 2008, 02:47 PM	#11
Noah Yuan-Vogel Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 613	my guess would be the price. i recall most of vision research's products costing at least $100k...

January 25th, 2008, 02:48 PM	#12
John Papadopoulos Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 336	The Photon models are considered high end. I hear of these a lot.

January 26th, 2008, 04:06 AM	#13
Kevin Shaw Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,488	I looked around and found a mention of "realviz re-timer" software as one way to tackle this problem, with a price reportedly about $1500.