Sumix 2/3" 1920x1080 CMOS

[Farhad Towfiq]

Gottfried, Price Will be the same. We try to be consistent. It will be first places order first served with priority going to our existing customers and distributors.

[Régine Weinberg]

Good morning
so many good news amazing.

I'm still favoring my poor but reliable staedicam approach.
India is no low tech anymore, changing the buckles
and some padding Voila.

PC vice , hm, there are dead quiet CPU ventilations, heat pipes
and this stuff. Solid state disks are still not cheap,
but neither horrible expensive.
Think of 16 mm reals. Think of the last Aaton.
A beauty, but i do have swapping all 20 minutes,
and the processing ruins my bank account.

Swapping the Solid disks all 20 minutes around
and pumping them into a
Laptop on steroids is no rocket science at all.

There are some glitches, I'm sure Sumix will help us to navigate around.

My Aaton is best in a staedicam set up,
quite portable, battery pack, optics, rails, Filters Compendium
monitor out, decent screen will turn you Robocop like,
for the on shoulder version, trust in me.



to blow the trumpet
I'm the same in some kind
Intersexuell,
new passport and files, New look,
rebuild,
the brains
are not changing radically.
Still film making, maybe different approach,,
not so Robokop like, LOL

Have fun

[Daniel Lipats]

Some screencaps from what I shot today with my mobile prototype.

The focus may be off and motion blur would also be a problem in thies shots. The lens is SD, can't see anything on the lcd outside(glare), and shooting things at near macro/telephoto violently shaking in the wind.

Shot at F/5.6 - F/8 with the camera at 50Mhz. Maximum exposure, 0 gain.
http://www.dreamstonestudios.com/per...imgs/April-06/
(70% compressed jpg)

Did some post on one of the images:
http://www.dreamstonestudios.com/per...ME_58-POST.jpg

(41 is shot indoors, ~50w tungsten light, no white balance. 36Mhz, max exposure, max gain)

[Jose A. Garcia]

Ok, so it looks like we need a Core2Quad miniPC to record CineformHD using streampix. That's going to make everything a bit harder... and more expensive.

[Daniel Lipats]

I sent this in an email but it may be of benefit to others. A quad core pc should cost more than a pc with an expensive mobile processor. A T7200 is $300 and a much faster Q6600 is $234


I think they can be put together without spending too much.

Quad core mini-itx motherboard $350
http://www.portwell.com/products/det...HAR1=WADE-8656

Core 2 Quad Q6600 quad core processor $234
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115018

Quad core cpu cooler $29
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835114074

4GB 800 DDR2 memory $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231122

Total: $693

+ $150 for a mini-itx case (~$80) and the rest for a power supply.

[Seth Kersey]

Are there any hardware solutions available for encoding CineForm?

I notice that CineForm was working on a mock-up of DTD recorder, that got me wondering if there are any companies out there that have built (or are building) a device to encode to CineForm, perhaps in the form of a PCIe card.

CineForm DTD mock-up: http://www.cineform.com/products/CineFormRecorder.htm

Just for clarification... Daniel, are you able to record video to your current setup using the Sumix software (but not StreamPix/CineForm)?

[Daniel Lipats]

Originally Posted by Seth Kersey

Just for clarification... Daniel, are you able to record video to your current setup using the Sumix software (but not StreamPix/CineForm)?

Yes it works perfect. CPU is only under 50% load to preview/record. But too slow for realtime CineForm.

You have to have a quad core. The links and specs I posted above should meet requirements.

[Régine Weinberg]

One, only one stupid remark
vented in the Ephel thread a million time..fois
Linux all Debian types, knoppix, dynebolic even Ubuntu
you can configure dammed small, dammed fast.
XP or Vista is a monster, eating on idle
too much ......good morning.

I do have no idea guys
but a Red or SI, specially the SI
are already portable for the real world.

Real work is on scene, outside etc.
Crying loud, Indie Film is no
studio with a power station
or a cam with a generator in a van.

It has to be quick and dirty that is
our power and imagination
and the low budget dictates
how to work.

This can be a fantastic
force to drive imagination
as we have no bank, financing and
smart controllers. We are not mind controlled.

Blowing the trumpet for some
Steadicam version even with
the India clone and some TLC
I do, as I do know, it is fast
reliable and with somebody
for the sound, maybe a third person
carrying all stuff needed, lenses, laptop, cell phone, script, etc
you are the smallest real world production unit.

A blown up van with a quiet generator and a tethered
cam may work for reportage. One guy does it with a
1 million van and a viper cam in the States.

It is no Drama in any sense of the word.
have fun

[Paul Curtis]

I didn't think a quad core was required, im sure that in my past conversations with cineform the spec for recording a single stream was a lot less, perhaps a duo. I don't know what SI is using, they would know for sure.

Maybe there are some other bottlenecks in the system?

I believe that the best way to do it is to store log 10 bit or 12 bit and turn the camera into something that just dumps data fast. You can still encode to cineform afterwards if that's your workflow or even something else. Keeping the camera doing the least amount as possible seemed to me to be the best bet. Especially if the cpu will be needed for view finder tasks. I would think getting it to preview and focus with the minimum delay would take precedence over live encoding, the dumping of data is a bandwidth issue not a CPU one.

A hardware based solution would be neat though, but i think they're all based on recording HD-SDI or HDMI. This is not RAW and so the cameras would be debayering on board which is back to square one...

There is development work to do between the cineform RAW encoder and the specific sensor to get the best out. I believe this is an area that SI have spent a lot of time refining and it's the area that streampix is important. Each sensors characteristics need to be taken into account by the RAW encoder to get the best out of it. (Please correct me if im wrong, these are based on conversations with cineform a while ago and things do change...)

cheers
paul

[Juan M. M. Fiebelkorn]

Strange, when I was talking to Farhad some time ago, I told him exactly the same about why not using a 10 bit log LUT inside the camera, and letting the user load his own LUT if required.There is no need to tell you they never paid attention to my suggestions.

SI is using a Core 2 Duo if I'm not wrong, and that was one of the delays the had, waiting for more powerfull sensors at the time.

That is the main reason why I still insist that SI had a "clear view" of what to do.

BTW, Paul, are you a friend of Pol Turrents?

[Paul Curtis]

Originally Posted by Juan M. M. Fiebelkorn

BTW, Paul, are you a friend of Pol Turrents?

Nope! I assume you mean the DP? Sounds like an interesting guy though.

For all of these cameras 10 bit log is plenty of range. 70MB/s would get you 30fps uncompressed (back of an envelope calculation though). To be honest you'd probably find 8 bit log plenty as well.

I think sumix are implementing or have said they can get 2:1 lossless compression within the head. So that would be even better.

cheers
paul

[Farhad Towfiq]

Juan,

I think 10 bit LUT (user defined) already implemented in new firmware. Sorry that we did not give you the credit for it yet. It is a great feature.

I agree that original recording must be as raw as possible. later you can do post processing in CineForm Codec for editing and distribution. Raw data can be used later to improve things. There is always a 14 bit video hidden in the belly of a 12 bit video depending on how fast things are moving.

[Farhad Towfiq]

I just checked with firmware engineer. 10 bit LUT, with lossless compression 1.8 to 1, and running at max frequency for minimum rolling shutter and adding pauses to get desired frame rate (like 24fps) all are implemented and will be available with new application software, hopefully the same time as the new batch of cameras will be shipping. Estimated time, late May

[Daniel Lipats]

Originally Posted by Paul Curtis

I didn't think a quad core was required, im sure that in my past conversations with cineform the spec for recording a single stream was a lot less, perhaps a duo. I don't know what SI is using, they would know for sure.

I was told by the people at Norpix quad core was what we should use in an email. Here are some benchmarks:

· 640x480 8-bit color, 150 fps, 95% cpu load (Intel dual-core T7400)

· 640x480 12-bit color, 140 fps, 44% cpu load (Intel quad-core Q6600)

· 1920x1080 8-bit color, 31 fps, 30% cpu load (Intel quad-core Q6600)

· 1920 x1080 12-bit color, 29 fps, 85% cpu load (Intel quad-core Q6600)

· 1920 x1080 12-bit color pixel pack, 95% cpu load ( Intel dual core T7700)

· 1920 x1080 12-bit color pixel pack, 75% cpu load ( Intel dual core T7700, Low Quality)


I don't like the idea of using a quad core processor because the system is going to use 3 times more power if not more. Instead of a 30w chip, having to go to 95w.

I would love to find a solution that would allow us to use mobile Core 2 Duos. Encoding to cineform in post was an idea, and I would rather do that then sacrifice so much battery life. But I'm told that recording uncompressed (60 MB/s) is out of the question for the T7200 computer I bought.

[Gottfried Hofmann]

Farhead, are you planning to add RAW recording soon? You mentioned some new software earlier. Is it the version that will be shipping in May?

The best thing would be the RAW data lossless compressed in a container that also stores the settings used while recording as metadata.

I would like to do all the debayering and encoding in post. That way a core 2 duo should be sufficient for recording.