Sumix 2/3" 1920x1080 CMOS

Jose A. Garcia · March 22nd, 2008, 11:09 AM

So this new wave of cameras will be just perfect for our purposes. But anyway, I can't wait to have my 12A2C here!

Daniel Lipats · March 22nd, 2008, 11:35 AM

Last night I downloaded a demo version of StreamPix 3 and I have to say i'm very impressed!

This application does just about everything we need. I can't think of anything its missing. (well, within reason...) I do have some feature requests but right now i'm just looking forward to SMX-12A2C support.

This is going to be a great solution for this camera, especially with CineForm codec support.

Jose A. Garcia, when are you expecting the camera?

Jose A. Garcia · March 22nd, 2008, 01:17 PM

Probably on Monday or Tuesday... It's already in Spain.

Ali Husain · March 22nd, 2008, 02:54 PM

I'm a little confused about the functionality of this camera out-of-the-box. Some quick questions:

(1) For $2500 we get a camera with a gigabit ethernet port and an API, anything else? What type of video capture software comes with it? (and what platform does it run on?)
(3) Can I shoot live video with this camera and a laptop with the supplied software?
(4) What frame rates do you support? The Sumix website lists only non-standard frame rates.
(5) What is your raw pipeline? I see what looks like lack of LP filtering in the demo videos on the Sumix website (maybe a good thing): point resampling shows an artifact pattern.
(5) What codec do you compress to? What are the disk bandwidth requirements?

Thanks. This looks like a pretty good camera.

Jose A. Garcia · March 23rd, 2008, 03:12 PM

Hi all,

Marie Guillaume, a member of this forum has offered me an old Angenieux 12-120mm C-Mount zoom with an optical viewfinder. It looks used but in good condition. I just asked her if it had any problem (fungus, lubrication, marks..).

She asked me to make an offer but I don't know how much would be a fair price for both of us.

So what do you think?

Régine Weinberg · March 23rd, 2008, 04:19 PM

about 400 Euro, mint condition , a master piece of art

Jose A. Garcia · March 25th, 2008, 08:00 AM

It'll be here tomorrow!! DHL just called me to say my Sumix will be here tomorrow morning. I'll still have to wait for the Power Injector, because it doesn't come along with the camera due to a little mistake.

Anyway I'll attach the lens so I can take a few photos of the camera itself. In a few days you'll see the first videos.

Jose A. Garcia · March 26th, 2008, 05:49 AM

Hi all,

It's here. Now I have to wait another day till the PoE Injector arrives, but that means I can post photos and tell you about the size and general external aspects of the camera.

The camera itself is quite small. A little smaller than the Computar zoom and I think the Angenieux lens will be even bigger.

For those of you who, like me, want this camera to be part of a whole setup of mattebox, followfocus and miniPC on a rod support, I have to say it comes with a small standard screw tripod mount that can be easily attached to the cam.

The camera looks and feels rock solid and weights quite a bit for its size. It actually looks more solid than the photo at sumix.com.

Well, there's little more I can say without actually testing it, but that'll have to wait untill tomorrow. I'm attaching a few pics so you can take a look.

Daniel Lipats · March 26th, 2008, 09:07 AM

Yeah, this thing is put together very well. It will get a little warm after operating for a while, sometimes I worry it will overheat so I don't want to keep it on for too long. But that has never happened, the temperature is stable and i'm sure in safe levels.

I'm really looking forward to some pictures with your improved filter, and lens.

I have been writing some basic software allowing me to experiment with the API and its functions. However, I have decided to not reinvent the wheel. StreamPix 3 has everything I was going to need so its just a mater of waiting.

I had a short film coming up I was going to use this camera on but it looks like that wont work out.

Régine Weinberg · March 26th, 2008, 12:37 PM

http://www.cappuccinopc.com/slimpro-sp635.asp
could that be a solution there are also fan less same Footprint
attach a Lcd maybe sensitive at one side such a handheld 5 to 6 finger keyboard device and voila
a dream could be true low power consumption

Ali Husain · March 26th, 2008, 04:22 PM

very nice! how does this camera mount on a tripod? and what's the best way to shoot handheld? (presumably with a long and thin ethernet cable)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jose A. Garcia

Hi all,

It's here. Now I have to wait another day till the PoE Injector arrives, but that means I can post photos and tell you about the size and general external aspects of the camera.

The camera itself is quite small. A little smaller than the Computar zoom and I think the Angenieux lens will be even bigger.

For those of you who, like me, want this camera to be part of a whole setup of mattebox, followfocus and miniPC on a rod support, I have to say it comes with a small standard screw tripod mount that can be easily attached to the cam.

The camera looks and feels rock solid and weights quite a bit for its size. It actually looks more solid than the photo at sumix.com.

Well, there's little more I can say without actually testing it, but that'll have to wait untill tomorrow. I'm attaching a few pics so you can take a look.

Jose A. Garcia · March 26th, 2008, 06:22 PM

Well Ali, if you put a whole system together you don't need a large ethernet cable, but a large power cable.

My idea is to take a rod support and mount everything on it. You can see a very simple black round piece in the last two pics. Well, it has a standard screw tripod mount and it can be easily attached to the camera. With the camera, a mattebox, followfocus, touchscreen 7" lcd and a little minipc (even smaller than the one you just linked, Ronald, but a Core2Duo too) you have a fully independent HD cinema camera. The only problem is power, but you can plug it to the wall if you're indoors, to a car if you're in open outdoors or use this

http://www.batteryspace.com/index.as...OD&ProdID=3198

if you're on the street and don't want to use a generator.

Now what's the most simple setup? I guess it's just the camera, lens, a small LCD or viewfinder (so cameraman can know exactly what he's doing) a large ethernet cable and your laptop.

Nicky Campos · March 26th, 2008, 07:36 PM

Hi all, Ive being following the sumix for a while now - its hard to keep up on the progress exactly...

Im basically waiting for this cam to work practically before I order, Im no code expert so how long before we can plug this thing in a laptop and capture with software?

Jose A. Garcia · March 26th, 2008, 07:41 PM

No time at all...

The cam actually comes with its own software. There're projects to create software specifically for filmmaking purposes and in a few weeks, we'll have a new StreamPix3 version with support for this camera, but if you ask whether it's possible to plug the cam to a laptop and start shooting at 25fps (up to 60fps) FullHD, you can do that already.

Régine Weinberg · March 26th, 2008, 08:33 PM

http://www.ieiworld.com/en/product_I...odel=NANO-9453
and please have a look there
http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.ph...light=portable

http://www.logicsupply.com/products/mp965_dr
http://www.logicsupply.com/products/102tpc
can do 1024 to 768
http://www.logicsupply.com/products/70atpc_hbn
800 x 480 Native (scaling up to 1600 x 1200)
and fan less go to the page and configure it
dual CPu
http://www.logicsupply.com/products/cd_gs_l06
so no noise

and on Linux with
http://jahshaka.org/News/p2_articleid/76
http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
http://www.cinepaint.org/
http://www.blender.org
http://ardour.org/
http://www.gimp.org/
http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
and this one has quite all software in the distro
clustering is dead easy as it is open mosix
http://dynebolic.org/

what will be the best file format for edit streampix
pumps to disk?

dreaming
camera head, with a Dual CPU fan less box, 2,5" 160 sata disk
a 12 v power supply a battery belt, a LCD touchscreen
optics with viewfinder a bit old fashioned but best for film making
like your Angenieux 12-120mm zoom a bijoux
some rods, mates, compendium a poor mans silicon 2k
can come true

I'm at Bordeaux not far from you
good night
dreaming

March 23rd, 2008, 03:12 PM	#185
Jose A. Garcia Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sevilla (Spain) Posts: 439	Possibility to buy an Angenieux 12-120mm zoom Hi all, Marie Guillaume, a member of this forum has offered me an old Angenieux 12-120mm C-Mount zoom with an optical viewfinder. It looks used but in good condition. I just asked her if it had any problem (fungus, lubrication, marks..). She asked me to make an offer but I don't know how much would be a fair price for both of us. So what do you think? Attached Thumbnails

March 23rd, 2008, 04:19 PM	#186
Régine Weinberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bordeaux, going to Bangkok, 2011 Posts: 232	great about 400 Euro, mint condition , a master piece of art

March 26th, 2008, 05:49 AM	#188
Jose A. Garcia Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sevilla (Spain) Posts: 439	Hi all, It's here. Now I have to wait another day till the PoE Injector arrives, but that means I can post photos and tell you about the size and general external aspects of the camera. The camera itself is quite small. A little smaller than the Computar zoom and I think the Angenieux lens will be even bigger. For those of you who, like me, want this camera to be part of a whole setup of mattebox, followfocus and miniPC on a rod support, I have to say it comes with a small standard screw tripod mount that can be easily attached to the cam. The camera looks and feels rock solid and weights quite a bit for its size. It actually looks more solid than the photo at sumix.com. Well, there's little more I can say without actually testing it, but that'll have to wait untill tomorrow. I'm attaching a few pics so you can take a look. Attached Thumbnails

March 26th, 2008, 12:37 PM	#190
Régine Weinberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bordeaux, going to Bangkok, 2011 Posts: 232	have a look on these http://www.cappuccinopc.com/slimpro-sp635.asp could that be a solution there are also fan less same Footprint attach a Lcd maybe sensitive at one side such a handheld 5 to 6 finger keyboard device and voila a dream could be true low power consumption

March 26th, 2008, 08:33 PM	#195
Régine Weinberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bordeaux, going to Bangkok, 2011 Posts: 232	found this http://www.ieiworld.com/en/product_I...odel=NANO-9453 and please have a look there http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.ph...light=portable http://www.logicsupply.com/products/mp965_dr http://www.logicsupply.com/products/102tpc can do 1024 to 768 http://www.logicsupply.com/products/70atpc_hbn 800 x 480 Native (scaling up to 1600 x 1200) and fan less go to the page and configure it dual CPu http://www.logicsupply.com/products/cd_gs_l06 so no noise and on Linux with http://jahshaka.org/News/p2_articleid/76 http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3 http://www.cinepaint.org/ http://www.blender.org http://ardour.org/ http://www.gimp.org/ http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ and this one has quite all software in the distro clustering is dead easy as it is open mosix http://dynebolic.org/ what will be the best file format for edit streampix pumps to disk? dreaming camera head, with a Dual CPU fan less box, 2,5" 160 sata disk a 12 v power supply a battery belt, a LCD touchscreen optics with viewfinder a bit old fashioned but best for film making like your Angenieux 12-120mm zoom a bijoux some rods, mates, compendium a poor mans silicon 2k can come true I'm at Bordeaux not far from you good night dreaming Last edited by Régine Weinberg; March 26th, 2008 at 09:24 PM. Reason: dreaming

March 22nd, 2008, 11:09 AM	#181
Jose A. Garcia Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sevilla (Spain) Posts: 439	So this new wave of cameras will be just perfect for our purposes. But anyway, I can't wait to have my 12A2C here!

March 22nd, 2008, 11:35 AM	#182
Daniel Lipats Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 260	Last night I downloaded a demo version of StreamPix 3 and I have to say i'm very impressed! This application does just about everything we need. I can't think of anything its missing. (well, within reason...) I do have some feature requests but right now i'm just looking forward to SMX-12A2C support. This is going to be a great solution for this camera, especially with CineForm codec support. Jose A. Garcia, when are you expecting the camera?

March 22nd, 2008, 01:17 PM	#183
Jose A. Garcia Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sevilla (Spain) Posts: 439	Probably on Monday or Tuesday... It's already in Spain.

March 22nd, 2008, 02:54 PM	#184
Ali Husain Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 141	I'm a little confused about the functionality of this camera out-of-the-box. Some quick questions: (1) For $2500 we get a camera with a gigabit ethernet port and an API, anything else? What type of video capture software comes with it? (and what platform does it run on?) (3) Can I shoot live video with this camera and a laptop with the supplied software? (4) What frame rates do you support? The Sumix website lists only non-standard frame rates. (5) What is your raw pipeline? I see what looks like lack of LP filtering in the demo videos on the Sumix website (maybe a good thing): point resampling shows an artifact pattern. (5) What codec do you compress to? What are the disk bandwidth requirements? Thanks. This looks like a pretty good camera.

March 25th, 2008, 08:00 AM	#187
Jose A. Garcia Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sevilla (Spain) Posts: 439	It'll be here tomorrow!! DHL just called me to say my Sumix will be here tomorrow morning. I'll still have to wait for the Power Injector, because it doesn't come along with the camera due to a little mistake. Anyway I'll attach the lens so I can take a few photos of the camera itself. In a few days you'll see the first videos.

March 26th, 2008, 09:07 AM	#189
Daniel Lipats Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 260	Yeah, this thing is put together very well. It will get a little warm after operating for a while, sometimes I worry it will overheat so I don't want to keep it on for too long. But that has never happened, the temperature is stable and i'm sure in safe levels. I'm really looking forward to some pictures with your improved filter, and lens. I have been writing some basic software allowing me to experiment with the API and its functions. However, I have decided to not reinvent the wheel. StreamPix 3 has everything I was going to need so its just a mater of waiting. I had a short film coming up I was going to use this camera on but it looks like that wont work out.

March 26th, 2008, 06:22 PM	#192
Jose A. Garcia Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sevilla (Spain) Posts: 439	Well Ali, if you put a whole system together you don't need a large ethernet cable, but a large power cable. My idea is to take a rod support and mount everything on it. You can see a very simple black round piece in the last two pics. Well, it has a standard screw tripod mount and it can be easily attached to the camera. With the camera, a mattebox, followfocus, touchscreen 7" lcd and a little minipc (even smaller than the one you just linked, Ronald, but a Core2Duo too) you have a fully independent HD cinema camera. The only problem is power, but you can plug it to the wall if you're indoors, to a car if you're in open outdoors or use this http://www.batteryspace.com/index.as...OD&ProdID=3198 if you're on the street and don't want to use a generator. Now what's the most simple setup? I guess it's just the camera, lens, a small LCD or viewfinder (so cameraman can know exactly what he's doing) a large ethernet cable and your laptop.

March 26th, 2008, 07:36 PM	#193
Nicky Campos Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 35	Hi all, Ive being following the sumix for a while now - its hard to keep up on the progress exactly... Im basically waiting for this cam to work practically before I order, Im no code expert so how long before we can plug this thing in a laptop and capture with software?

March 26th, 2008, 07:41 PM	#194
Jose A. Garcia Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sevilla (Spain) Posts: 439	No time at all... The cam actually comes with its own software. There're projects to create software specifically for filmmaking purposes and in a few weeks, we'll have a new StreamPix3 version with support for this camera, but if you ask whether it's possible to plug the cam to a laptop and start shooting at 25fps (up to 60fps) FullHD, you can do that already.