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Teodor Miljevic · July 12th, 2007, 04:05 AM

I have a question for you guys I've been looking around and I can't find a thread on the more professional shotgunmics. There are a lot about rode and the cheaper AT and sennheiser mics, but what mic would you use if you could pick any mic under 3000$ that has the same pattern as the sennheisser mkh-416?(which is the about the only more expensive mic that I see being mentioned here(and is one of the better ones i would like to hear more about))

I my self have a AT 4073 which is a very good mic even though I know the sennheiser mkh-416 is better. Is there a mic in the price range I mention above that is even better? Or could you recomend a kit that would be better allround (maybe two mics or three that together used wisely deliver better quality than the one mic I'm asking for:)They don't have to cost below 3000 together it's ok if the kit is more expensive). Also good to know is that my production company almost always works on location and not on a soundstage so I would appreciate it if your recomendations could take that into account. Also note that I said mics plural (I guess there are some candidates so please feel free to talk about your favourite (I don't want to start a long discussion based on two groups having there own favourite).

I'm going to be using them on proffesional productions so I'm only interested in the best mics even (under 3000, I know sky is the limit if you really want to spend money, if there is something close to that please mention them as well but if they are more expensive I would appreciate if you could mention the price also) though many of you are content with your lower end models and think they are really good I would really like to hear about the good stuff. There are endless posts about the other ones so I would appreciate if we could focus on the higher end models.

Steve House · July 12th, 2007, 04:47 AM

Sanken CS-3
Schoeps CMIT 5U
Neumann KMR81

Question though ... what are your criteria for "better?" What specifically properties are looking for that you don't have with the A/T mic or you are looking for more of in a mic than the 416 gives you? Are you locations mostly indoors or out? If you are generally in indoor locations, a hypercardioid such as the Schoeps CMC641 on a boom might serve you better than any of the shotguns.

Mike Peter Reed · July 12th, 2007, 11:41 AM

Sanken CS-3e would be my choice (slightly newer version of the CS-3, I think they tweaked the pickup patter ever so slightly).

Petri Kaipiainen · July 12th, 2007, 11:45 AM

I can second that, have been using CS-3e for some 6 months. Hard to imagine anything better what comes to midrange (pattern, not price) shtoguns.

And COS-11 is maybe the best lavalier...

Marco Leavitt · July 13th, 2007, 09:49 AM

Haven't used the 416, but I know the CS3e seems to be its closest competitor. I've had a CS3e for a couple of years, and man, that is a miracle mic.

Teodor Miljevic · July 13th, 2007, 11:38 AM

Thanks guys, It seems like the sanken can become a great companion. I read a review of it and it said that the sanken had great of axis isolation on both the high and low frequencies and and that it lessened the proximitieffect so it seems as the right mic for me. In the same review they said that the neuman and the schoeps were more quiet and better suited for a soundstage together with a highquality preamp. But for my purpose (I almost always record on location) the sanken seems perfect.

Does anyone know if it has a longer cousin that is even more narrow for those really hard noisy places?

Marco Leavitt · July 13th, 2007, 12:45 PM

The CS3e is considered comparable to a long gun in terms of side rejection. I think you'd be looking at an MKH70 or maybe CK69 to do better. Even then, some people claim the CS3e has even more side rejection. I have no idea as I've never used those two mics either. The CS3e also handles interiors remarkably well. Only downside I've found is that it has a fair amount of self-noise. This is only evident if you have to boost the gain really high. No problem in a noisey enviroment, but in a quiet one it's deadly.

Dan Brockett · July 13th, 2007, 11:46 PM

Hi Teodor:

Perhaps a more option-laden choice would be to own and use multiple mics? There is no perfect mic for every situation. My suggestion would be to purchase the Schoeps and then perhaps the Sanken or some combination thereof.

I will be publishing a large review/test on shotguns in August, if you can wait. I will be testing/reviewing 10 different shotguns/super/hypercardioids and posting samples of each.

Best,

Dan

Ty Ford · July 14th, 2007, 05:35 AM

I've been reviewing mics, including shotguns for trade magazines for years. Most of thise reviews are in my On Line Archives.

I also have some sound comparison audio files.

Help yourself.

Were I to buy today, it'd be a CMIT. I already own a 416 and a 4073a.

Regards,

Ty Ford

TingSern Wong · July 21st, 2007, 09:54 PM

I am using Sanken CMS-10. Pretty good - has either mono or stereo that you can switch - depending on application. Easier to carry on location than two MKH-50 ... if you are recording in studio like environments (very quiet), MKH-50 are a much better bet. For longer reach, I use MKH-70.

Hi Ty Ford,
Where is the link to your online archives?

Sam Druckerman · July 22nd, 2007, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TingSern Wong

Hi Ty Ford,
Where is the link to your online archives?

Here's the link for Ty's excellent reviews....

www.tyford.com

Enjoy.

Ty Ford · July 22nd, 2007, 06:01 AM

Thanks Sam.

I have not reviewed the CMS-10.

TingSern, what are you looking for?

Ty

TingSern Wong · July 23rd, 2007, 10:27 AM

Ty Ford,

I was looking for your weblink to your reviews. Sam has provided me with the link. But when I tried to go to your website, it was very slow.

Anyway, my feedback regarding CMS-10 is - to me, it is an excellent microphone to use on camera. The stereo image is good, considering the size of the microphone. Obviously, can't compare with one pair of MKH-50 when used in stereo recordings inside concert halls. But, when I am running for a shot, CMS-10 is the way to go. I would like to know how the CMS-10 compares with other microphones of its class. So, when you do a test of CMS-10, please let me know. Thank you.

Ben Winter · July 23rd, 2007, 11:15 AM

I own the 416. All in all, it's the most fantastic mic I've used outdoors. It's also built extremely well and is very sturdy, which is often the biggest difference in cheaper vs. pro equipment. Indoors though, it can be a disaster.

However, you'd be surprised how much of a difference the quality of XLR cable you use can make too. I think it's commonly overlooked to not buy high-quality cable to match the high-quality mic on the end of it.

Stephen Sobel · August 25th, 2007, 04:07 PM

So, where do you get high quality XLR cable? What brand?

July 12th, 2007, 04:05 AM	#1
Teodor Miljevic Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 77	the best shotgun mics I have a question for you guys I've been looking around and I can't find a thread on the more professional shotgunmics. There are a lot about rode and the cheaper AT and sennheiser mics, but what mic would you use if you could pick any mic under 3000$ that has the same pattern as the sennheisser mkh-416?(which is the about the only more expensive mic that I see being mentioned here(and is one of the better ones i would like to hear more about)) I my self have a AT 4073 which is a very good mic even though I know the sennheiser mkh-416 is better. Is there a mic in the price range I mention above that is even better? Or could you recomend a kit that would be better allround (maybe two mics or three that together used wisely deliver better quality than the one mic I'm asking for:)They don't have to cost below 3000 together it's ok if the kit is more expensive). Also good to know is that my production company almost always works on location and not on a soundstage so I would appreciate it if your recomendations could take that into account. Also note that I said mics plural (I guess there are some candidates so please feel free to talk about your favourite (I don't want to start a long discussion based on two groups having there own favourite). I'm going to be using them on proffesional productions so I'm only interested in the best mics even (under 3000, I know sky is the limit if you really want to spend money, if there is something close to that please mention them as well but if they are more expensive I would appreciate if you could mention the price also) though many of you are content with your lower end models and think they are really good I would really like to hear about the good stuff. There are endless posts about the other ones so I would appreciate if we could focus on the higher end models.

July 12th, 2007, 04:47 AM	#2
Steve House Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,742	Sanken CS-3 Schoeps CMIT 5U Neumann KMR81 Question though ... what are your criteria for "better?" What specifically properties are looking for that you don't have with the A/T mic or you are looking for more of in a mic than the 416 gives you? Are you locations mostly indoors or out? If you are generally in indoor locations, a hypercardioid such as the Schoeps CMC641 on a boom might serve you better than any of the shotguns. __________________ Good news, Cousins! This week's chocolate ration is 15 grams!

July 13th, 2007, 11:46 PM	#8
Dan Brockett Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,109	Reply Hi Teodor: Perhaps a more option-laden choice would be to own and use multiple mics? There is no perfect mic for every situation. My suggestion would be to purchase the Schoeps and then perhaps the Sanken or some combination thereof. I will be publishing a large review/test on shotguns in August, if you can wait. I will be testing/reviewing 10 different shotguns/super/hypercardioids and posting samples of each. Best, Dan

July 14th, 2007, 05:35 AM	#9
Ty Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 2,337	I've been reviewing mics, including shotguns for trade magazines for years. Most of thise reviews are in my On Line Archives. I also have some sound comparison audio files. Help yourself. Were I to buy today, it'd be a CMIT. I already own a 416 and a 4073a. Regards, Ty Ford __________________ Ty Ford's Audio Bootcamp Field Guide Ty Ford's Audio Video Blog

July 22nd, 2007, 06:01 AM	#12
Ty Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 2,337	Thanks Sam. I have not reviewed the CMS-10. TingSern, what are you looking for? Ty __________________ Ty Ford's Audio Bootcamp Field Guide Ty Ford's Audio Video Blog

July 12th, 2007, 11:41 AM	#3
Mike Peter Reed Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hants, UK Posts: 185	Sanken CS-3e would be my choice (slightly newer version of the CS-3, I think they tweaked the pickup patter ever so slightly).

July 12th, 2007, 11:45 AM	#4
Petri Kaipiainen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Espoo Finland Posts: 380	I can second that, have been using CS-3e for some 6 months. Hard to imagine anything better what comes to midrange (pattern, not price) shtoguns. And COS-11 is maybe the best lavalier...

July 13th, 2007, 09:49 AM	#5
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	Haven't used the 416, but I know the CS3e seems to be its closest competitor. I've had a CS3e for a couple of years, and man, that is a miracle mic.

July 13th, 2007, 11:38 AM	#6
Teodor Miljevic Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 77	Thanks guys, It seems like the sanken can become a great companion. I read a review of it and it said that the sanken had great of axis isolation on both the high and low frequencies and and that it lessened the proximitieffect so it seems as the right mic for me. In the same review they said that the neuman and the schoeps were more quiet and better suited for a soundstage together with a highquality preamp. But for my purpose (I almost always record on location) the sanken seems perfect. Does anyone know if it has a longer cousin that is even more narrow for those really hard noisy places?

July 13th, 2007, 12:45 PM	#7
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	The CS3e is considered comparable to a long gun in terms of side rejection. I think you'd be looking at an MKH70 or maybe CK69 to do better. Even then, some people claim the CS3e has even more side rejection. I have no idea as I've never used those two mics either. The CS3e also handles interiors remarkably well. Only downside I've found is that it has a fair amount of self-noise. This is only evident if you have to boost the gain really high. No problem in a noisey enviroment, but in a quiet one it's deadly.

July 21st, 2007, 09:54 PM	#10
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	I am using Sanken CMS-10. Pretty good - has either mono or stereo that you can switch - depending on application. Easier to carry on location than two MKH-50 ... if you are recording in studio like environments (very quiet), MKH-50 are a much better bet. For longer reach, I use MKH-70. Hi Ty Ford, Where is the link to your online archives?

July 23rd, 2007, 10:27 AM	#13
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	Ty Ford, I was looking for your weblink to your reviews. Sam has provided me with the link. But when I tried to go to your website, it was very slow. Anyway, my feedback regarding CMS-10 is - to me, it is an excellent microphone to use on camera. The stereo image is good, considering the size of the microphone. Obviously, can't compare with one pair of MKH-50 when used in stereo recordings inside concert halls. But, when I am running for a shot, CMS-10 is the way to go. I would like to know how the CMS-10 compares with other microphones of its class. So, when you do a test of CMS-10, please let me know. Thank you.

July 23rd, 2007, 11:15 AM	#14
Ben Winter Trustee Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 1,675 Images: 1	I own the 416. All in all, it's the most fantastic mic I've used outdoors. It's also built extremely well and is very sturdy, which is often the biggest difference in cheaper vs. pro equipment. Indoors though, it can be a disaster. However, you'd be surprised how much of a difference the quality of XLR cable you use can make too. I think it's commonly overlooked to not buy high-quality cable to match the high-quality mic on the end of it. __________________ BenWinter.com

August 25th, 2007, 04:07 PM	#15
Stephen Sobel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 408	So, where do you get high quality XLR cable? What brand?