Which wireless system with phantom power? at DVinfo.net

Edward Carlson · June 3rd, 2007, 02:45 PM

I'm looking for a wireless system with an XLR plug-in transmitter. The problem is that my shotgun microphone (NTG-1) is phantom power only. The only plug-in transmitters I have found that supply 48v are the Sennheiser SKP500, and the Azden 51XT. The complete kit that includes the SKP500 is $905. The Azden kit is only $665, and that's dual channel (comes with a bodypack and the 51XT). Basically two Azden receivers (in one case) and two Azden transmitters are less expensive than one of Sennheiser transmitter and receiver. So, should I go for the cheaper Azden or the Sennheiser? Are there other plug-in transmitters that supply 48v phantom power? (besides Lecro, 'cause those are like $1500.)

David W. Jones · June 3rd, 2007, 03:24 PM

Well I can't tell you which wireless unit you should buy,
But I can tell you that I have an Azden... Sitting in my Attic!

Edward Carlson · June 3rd, 2007, 05:19 PM

From what I have read on this board, the Azden systems aren't very good compared to other UHF systems. It hasn't been stated why, but people seem to prefer the Audio-Technica, Sennheiser, and Lectrosonics. The problem is I can't find an AT plug-in that provides phantom power. The AT system that DOES have an XLR plug-in (the ATWU102) is cheaper than the Azden and Sennheiser, but it doesn't say if it provides phantom or not.

Dave Stern · June 4th, 2007, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Carlson

From what I have read on this board, the Azden systems aren't very good compared to other UHF systems. It hasn't been stated why, but people seem to prefer the Audio-Technica, Sennheiser, and Lectrosonics. The problem is I can't find an AT plug-in that provides phantom power. The AT system that DOES have an XLR plug-in (the ATWU102) is cheaper than the Azden and Sennheiser, but it doesn't say if it provides phantom or not.

the plug in that comes with the AT 1800 series provides phantom power, I think up to 12 volts..not sure what the NTG-1 needs ... the AT specs are on their site though .. go to the page for the product you want and then click the PDF link for the product specs .. easy to find

Greg Bellotte · June 4th, 2007, 08:43 AM

you can always use a battery powered external phantom supply with any rf transmitter. not as sexy, but it works...

Edward Carlson · June 4th, 2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Stern

...I think up to 12 volts..not sure what the NTG-1 needs ...

In the NTG-1 manual it says "P48 Phantom, 44 V to 52 V." So does that mean the 1800 plug-in won't provide enough power? I thought 48V was the standard. On AT's site it has a manual for their 1800 series single channel receiver (ATW-R1810), but I don't see it on B&H yet. In fact the individual dual receiver and individual XLR plug-in are listed as "Coming Soon," even though the full system is available. I guess I'll wait for the single channel system (assuming it is less expensive, and that the plug-in will work with my mic.)

Greg Bellotte · June 4th, 2007, 08:06 PM

P48 is a standard, but a lot of the newer designs will run on as little as 6V. As a result power supplies seem to be heading down in voltage output. I wish we could say "P12" or something was a new standard everyone could gather around. If your mic requires 44-52V, and many of the older or better capsule designs do, then you need a true P48 supply.

Edward Carlson · June 4th, 2007, 08:14 PM

Looks like I'm going to need to Lectro UH400A. Or the Azden 51XT, but no one seem to like them (Azden.)

Douglas Spotted Eagle · June 4th, 2007, 08:35 PM

Wow! Talk about extremes...Lectrosonics or Azden? At the risk of sounding condescending...that's like saying "either I need a Humvee or rollerskates to go over that steep hill."

The AT will power the NGT1. I have one.
The 1800 is a great system. So far, I've not run into any issues, but to be as neutral as I can be, I've now talked to two sound mixers that have had issues (both fairly minor) in two very disparate parts of the USA.

David W. Jones · June 5th, 2007, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Carlson

Looks like I'm going to need to Lectro UH400A. Or the Azden 51XT, but no one seem to like them (Azden.)

The straight poop on the Azden is.... That the audio quality is lacking to say the least.

Entry-level systems from Lectrosonics, Audio Technica, and Sennheiser, far surpass the sonic quality of the most expensive Azden.

The only time I might get the Azden out of the attic, is when a producer needs a wireless audio monitor from the sound cart.

Jim Boda · June 5th, 2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Carlson

Looks like I'm going to need to Lectro UH400A. Or the Azden 51XT, but no one seem to like them (Azden.)

I believe that Azden does have a new model coming out in July...but, from your original question and your apparent price range...

I would lean toward the Sennheiser. It's going to give you a better frequency response, working range, and most importantly a better signal to noise ratio.

Edward Carlson · June 5th, 2007, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by David W. Jones

Entry-level systems from Lectrosonics, Audio Technica, and Sennheiser, far surpass the sonic quality of the most expensive Azden.

That's what I thought.

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Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle

Wow! Talk about extremes...Lectrosonics or Azden? At the risk of sounding condescending...that's like saying "either I need a Humvee or rollerskates to go over that steep hill."

That's what I was going for. The two systems that will power my mic are at the opposite ends of quality. But then you said the AT works, so...

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Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle

The AT will power the NGT1. I have one.

...the AT 1800 is a contender. It looks like it is between the Sennheiser SKP500, and the Audio-Technica ATW-1812 (when it comes out). The SKP500G2 specs say that it will work with any G2 receiver, so could I save some money and get the EK100G2 receiver? The 500 series plugin and receiver kit is $904, but the SKP500 plugin and EK100 receiver separately is $785. Then again, the MSRP for the ATW-A1812 is $720. Should I wait for that? Thanks for all your help.

Seth Bloombaum · June 5th, 2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Carlson

...The SKP500G2 specs say that it will work with any G2 receiver, so could I save some money and get the EK100G2 receiver?...

Yes, the 500/100 combos work fine. Do pay attention to the frequency ranges of the systems if you buy them separately. If I remember, Sennheiser sells 3 different ranges for the US.

Abe Dolinger · June 5th, 2007, 10:25 AM

I recommend a Denecke PS-1A (48v phantom with belt clip, reliable, clean . . about $150) and a good prosumer wireless, like the Sennheiser G2.

Oleg Kaizerman · June 6th, 2007, 01:08 AM

lectrosonics uh 400 will work the best

June 3rd, 2007, 02:45 PM	#1
Edward Carlson Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North Hollywood, CA, United States Posts: 807	Which wireless system with phantom power? I'm looking for a wireless system with an XLR plug-in transmitter. The problem is that my shotgun microphone (NTG-1) is phantom power only. The only plug-in transmitters I have found that supply 48v are the Sennheiser SKP500, and the Azden 51XT. The complete kit that includes the SKP500 is $905. The Azden kit is only $665, and that's dual channel (comes with a bodypack and the 51XT). Basically two Azden receivers (in one case) and two Azden transmitters are less expensive than one of Sennheiser transmitter and receiver. So, should I go for the cheaper Azden or the Sennheiser? Are there other plug-in transmitters that supply 48v phantom power? (besides Lecro, 'cause those are like $1500.)

June 4th, 2007, 08:35 PM	#9
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Wow! Talk about extremes...Lectrosonics or Azden? At the risk of sounding condescending...that's like saying "either I need a Humvee or rollerskates to go over that steep hill." The AT will power the NGT1. I have one. The 1800 is a great system. So far, I've not run into any issues, but to be as neutral as I can be, I've now talked to two sound mixers that have had issues (both fairly minor) in two very disparate parts of the USA. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

June 3rd, 2007, 03:24 PM	#2
David W. Jones Trustee Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Little Rock Posts: 1,383	Well I can't tell you which wireless unit you should buy, But I can tell you that I have an Azden... Sitting in my Attic!

June 3rd, 2007, 05:19 PM	#3
Edward Carlson Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North Hollywood, CA, United States Posts: 807	From what I have read on this board, the Azden systems aren't very good compared to other UHF systems. It hasn't been stated why, but people seem to prefer the Audio-Technica, Sennheiser, and Lectrosonics. The problem is I can't find an AT plug-in that provides phantom power. The AT system that DOES have an XLR plug-in (the ATWU102) is cheaper than the Azden and Sennheiser, but it doesn't say if it provides phantom or not.

June 4th, 2007, 08:43 AM	#5
Greg Bellotte Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 291	you can always use a battery powered external phantom supply with any rf transmitter. not as sexy, but it works...

June 4th, 2007, 08:06 PM	#7
Greg Bellotte Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 291	P48 is a standard, but a lot of the newer designs will run on as little as 6V. As a result power supplies seem to be heading down in voltage output. I wish we could say "P12" or something was a new standard everyone could gather around. If your mic requires 44-52V, and many of the older or better capsule designs do, then you need a true P48 supply.

June 4th, 2007, 08:14 PM	#8
Edward Carlson Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North Hollywood, CA, United States Posts: 807	Looks like I'm going to need to Lectro UH400A. Or the Azden 51XT, but no one seem to like them (Azden.)

June 5th, 2007, 10:25 AM	#14
Abe Dolinger Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 111	I recommend a Denecke PS-1A (48v phantom with belt clip, reliable, clean . . about $150) and a good prosumer wireless, like the Sennheiser G2.

June 6th, 2007, 01:08 AM	#15
Oleg Kaizerman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: israel Posts: 296	lectrosonics uh 400 will work the best