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Jeff Anselmo · January 27th, 2007, 04:31 PM

Sorry if this subject is an old one, but just wanted some advice on using a boom pole/shotgun mic with a c-stand? Of course, my subject will be stationary, and outdoors.

If there's a previous thread to this, please let me know.

Appreciate any and all help, thanks!

--JA

Richard Alvarez · January 27th, 2007, 04:53 PM

Make sure the boom is set to 'tighten' by gravity, put sandbags on the legs, get the boom as close as possible to your subject in the shot. (Don't overlook booming from below if the location and shot calls for it.)

That's pretty much it. Depending on how long the boom is, you might want to sandbag the opposite end of the boom pole for balance.

And yeah, if you can run a lav in the other channel, do it.

I've done this on numerous 'one man band' interviews.

Good luck.

Cole McDonald · January 27th, 2007, 06:55 PM

from above, make sure the path of the mike is past the mouth and into the chest...this will help round out the sound and the body will dampen the environmental sounds as well as provide the chest cavity rumble that we all equate with "Big" sound.

from below, past mouth and into the head...sky will provide the lack of noise for you that the body/ground would booming from above.

make sure the third foot of the stand is pointing the direction of the boom and sandbag.

http://www.tyford.com has a clip in his archives about using a fishing pole holder in a grip stand to hold a boom pole :)

Georgia Hilton · January 28th, 2007, 03:05 PM

If your using a hyper-caroid mic, also look at what the mic is pointing at. If its pointing up, make usre there isn't a ceiling fan running where its looking. Or, a Fridge sitting a couple feet away right in the line of fire, etc etc....
It's easy for the ear to miss this on set, but the mic won't.... Once you've set up put on headphones and listen to what the mic is recording before you add the actors in.

cheers
geo

Jeff Anselmo · January 29th, 2007, 12:41 AM

Thanks for everyone's input!

I'm not quite a "one-man band", more like husband and wife team. But since she's going to be conducting the interviews, it'd be real tricky boom op-ing, monitoring sound, and asking questions at the same time (I'm hauling around the XL2).

Sandbags will definitely be used! And yes, Ty Ford has excellent sound advice.

We're also considering buying a wireless lav system to accompany our AT897 shotgun. If we end up getting into a run and gun situation, I think the lav maybe the best way to go (instead of carrying a heavy c-stand :)

--JA

Bruce S. Yarock · January 29th, 2007, 05:55 AM

Jeff,
Check out the "avenger" stand on wheels. Also get a grip head and something to mount the pole on the grip head. Lock down the wheels, and the grip head (once you've got everything situated), and you're in business.
A friend of mine (local sound guy) fabricated a wooden plate that slides down into the grip head. He bolted a fishing pole holder on the wooden piece, so the pole is supported, but can be angled up or down(by loosening thenretightenin the grip head). Works great.
Bruce S. yarock
www.yarock.com

Jeff Anselmo · January 29th, 2007, 08:42 PM

Thanks for the advice Bruce!

BTW, I was going to email you about several audio set ups and such; I guess expect one soon :)

--JA

Ty Ford · January 29th, 2007, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cole McDonald

from above, make sure the path of the mike is past the mouth and into the chest...this will help round out the sound and the body will dampen the environmental sounds as well as provide the chest cavity rumble that we all equate with "Big" sound.

from below, past mouth and into the head...sky will provide the lack of noise for you that the body/ground would booming from above.

make sure the third foot of the stand is pointing the direction of the boom and sandbag.

http://www.tyford.com has a clip in his archives about using a fishing pole holder in a grip stand to hold a boom pole :)

Thanks Cole.

Ty

Bruce S. Yarock · January 29th, 2007, 10:05 PM

Hey Ty,
is yours also an "Eric Toline" special? maybe he should start manufacturing soon.
Bruce Yarock
www.yarock.com

Ty Ford · January 30th, 2007, 06:46 AM

I do have the Eric Toline #001. Available at better fishing supply stores. :)

Regards,

Ty Ford

Michael Nistler · February 2nd, 2007, 02:47 AM

Hi Jeff,

I use a Octava MK012A mic - here's the configuration I use to go with it (from B&H Video - you may want a longer boom and the Windjammer & BBG isn't critical unless you might be outside with wind noise):

MAHWH2.5 Hollywood Grip Head - 2-1/2"
GBBPH Boom Pole Holder
K-Tek KE-79CC - Aluminum Avalon Series Boompole with Coiled Cable
RYBBGWJ Windjammer for Baby Ball Gag Windshield
RYBBG22 Baby Ball Gag Windshield

Good luck, Michael

Ty Ford · February 2nd, 2007, 04:27 AM

"I use a Octava MK012A mic - here's the configuration I use to go with it (from B&H Video - you may want a longer boom and the Windjammer & BBG isn't critical unless you might be outside with wind noise):"

Even inside you can't really swing a MC012 or MK012 on a boom without some sort of wind protection or you'll ruffle the diaphragm.

Regards,

Ty Ford

January 27th, 2007, 04:31 PM	#1
Jeff Anselmo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 566	booming without a boom op Sorry if this subject is an old one, but just wanted some advice on using a boom pole/shotgun mic with a c-stand? Of course, my subject will be stationary, and outdoors. If there's a previous thread to this, please let me know. Appreciate any and all help, thanks! --JA

January 27th, 2007, 06:55 PM	#3
Cole McDonald Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN, USA Posts: 1,675	from above, make sure the path of the mike is past the mouth and into the chest...this will help round out the sound and the body will dampen the environmental sounds as well as provide the chest cavity rumble that we all equate with "Big" sound. from below, past mouth and into the head...sky will provide the lack of noise for you that the body/ground would booming from above. make sure the third foot of the stand is pointing the direction of the boom and sandbag. http://www.tyford.com has a clip in his archives about using a fishing pole holder in a grip stand to hold a boom pole :) __________________ Web Youtube Facebook

January 28th, 2007, 03:05 PM	#4
Georgia Hilton New Boot Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York, NY Posts: 12	If your using a hyper-caroid mic, also look at what the mic is pointing at. If its pointing up, make usre there isn't a ceiling fan running where its looking. Or, a Fridge sitting a couple feet away right in the line of fire, etc etc.... It's easy for the ear to miss this on set, but the mic won't.... Once you've set up put on headphones and listen to what the mic is recording before you add the actors in. cheers geo __________________ Georgia Hilton MPSE CAS www.globalaudio.net

January 30th, 2007, 06:46 AM	#10
Ty Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 2,337	I do have the Eric Toline #001. Available at better fishing supply stores. :) Regards, Ty Ford __________________ Ty Ford's Audio Bootcamp Field Guide Ty Ford's Audio Video Blog

February 2nd, 2007, 02:47 AM	#11
Michael Nistler Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Petaluma, CA Posts: 456	Stationary Boom Configuration Hi Jeff, I use a Octava MK012A mic - here's the configuration I use to go with it (from B&H Video - you may want a longer boom and the Windjammer & BBG isn't critical unless you might be outside with wind noise): MAHWH2.5 Hollywood Grip Head - 2-1/2" GBBPH Boom Pole Holder K-Tek KE-79CC - Aluminum Avalon Series Boompole with Coiled Cable RYBBGWJ Windjammer for Baby Ball Gag Windshield RYBBG22 Baby Ball Gag Windshield Good luck, Michael

January 27th, 2007, 04:53 PM	#2
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Make sure the boom is set to 'tighten' by gravity, put sandbags on the legs, get the boom as close as possible to your subject in the shot. (Don't overlook booming from below if the location and shot calls for it.) That's pretty much it. Depending on how long the boom is, you might want to sandbag the opposite end of the boom pole for balance. And yeah, if you can run a lav in the other channel, do it. I've done this on numerous 'one man band' interviews. Good luck.

January 29th, 2007, 12:41 AM	#5
Jeff Anselmo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 566	Thanks for everyone's input! I'm not quite a "one-man band", more like husband and wife team. But since she's going to be conducting the interviews, it'd be real tricky boom op-ing, monitoring sound, and asking questions at the same time (I'm hauling around the XL2). Sandbags will definitely be used! And yes, Ty Ford has excellent sound advice. We're also considering buying a wireless lav system to accompany our AT897 shotgun. If we end up getting into a run and gun situation, I think the lav maybe the best way to go (instead of carrying a heavy c-stand :) --JA

January 29th, 2007, 05:55 AM	#6
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Jeff, Check out the "avenger" stand on wheels. Also get a grip head and something to mount the pole on the grip head. Lock down the wheels, and the grip head (once you've got everything situated), and you're in business. A friend of mine (local sound guy) fabricated a wooden plate that slides down into the grip head. He bolted a fishing pole holder on the wooden piece, so the pole is supported, but can be angled up or down(by loosening thenretightenin the grip head). Works great. Bruce S. yarock www.yarock.com

January 29th, 2007, 08:42 PM	#7
Jeff Anselmo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 566	Thanks for the advice Bruce! BTW, I was going to email you about several audio set ups and such; I guess expect one soon :) --JA

January 29th, 2007, 10:05 PM	#9
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Hey Ty, is yours also an "Eric Toline" special? maybe he should start manufacturing soon. Bruce Yarock www.yarock.com

February 2nd, 2007, 04:27 AM	#12
Ty Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 2,337	"I use a Octava MK012A mic - here's the configuration I use to go with it (from B&H Video - you may want a longer boom and the Windjammer & BBG isn't critical unless you might be outside with wind noise):" Even inside you can't really swing a MC012 or MK012 on a boom without some sort of wind protection or you'll ruffle the diaphragm. Regards, Ty Ford __________________ Ty Ford's Audio Bootcamp Field Guide Ty Ford's Audio Video Blog