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Glenn Davidson · May 25th, 2006, 03:42 PM

I am mastering several language audio CDs. For the final step I am using a Waves L1+ maximiser plug-in. I am doing this to increase the level of the program slightly (less than 2.5 db). The output of the L1 will be -.5 db. My question is...Will this create any problems in replication, the level is always .5 under 0, but when I see the flat wave form at the peaks, I start to get concerned. Just thout I would throw this out to the audio experts on DVi before I reach the final step. The audio sounds great, but I do not want to get a call from the plant regarding a problem with my master. Thanks .

Berns Ortiz · May 25th, 2006, 04:08 PM

ok, first, how does it sound?
If it sounds ok with you then it might be ok.
It is very safe to set the ceiling on the limiter to -.3 - -5dbfs. Avoid going straght for 0 dbfs. This is because some lower quality DAC's on some players will clip even in -.2 or -.1.
Other than that, just check the reduction meter in the waves L1. How much db's of compression are you gettin? 2, 3, 4 might be ok.
The waveform might look like a brick sometimes when you are all zoomed out. Try to zoom in, if there are not very extreme shuts, then you should be ok. This won't affect replication either. Its not like the old LP's. Its just data, I don't think you will get into problems.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · May 25th, 2006, 10:24 PM

.05dB is usually safe, but bear in mind that systems with oversampling may create distortion. Our masters typically are -1dB these days, but for a couple years, our house standard was -.02dB. We had a few complaints, so have now settled in at -1dB.

Glenn Davidson · May 25th, 2006, 10:32 PM

I think I will use the -1db rule. Want got me concered was listening to a CD from a previous version that was sent to the plant clean, but the CD copy sounded clipped and in fact goes red on my ProTools meters. I know it was not sent like that. It even has hiss and the EQ sounds off. This was done in Hong Kong so we had very little control of the product. Thanks for the heads up on the headroom!

Berns Ortiz · May 25th, 2006, 10:48 PM

Also, if you're using dither, make sure you check your meters with dither on before doing the final bounce. Dither will add some level wich might be also another reason why you get clips.

May 25th, 2006, 03:42 PM	#1
Glenn Davidson Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Nevada City, California Posts: 499	Audio Mastering Question I am mastering several language audio CDs. For the final step I am using a Waves L1+ maximiser plug-in. I am doing this to increase the level of the program slightly (less than 2.5 db). The output of the L1 will be -.5 db. My question is...Will this create any problems in replication, the level is always .5 under 0, but when I see the flat wave form at the peaks, I start to get concerned. Just thout I would throw this out to the audio experts on DVi before I reach the final step. The audio sounds great, but I do not want to get a call from the plant regarding a problem with my master. Thanks .

May 25th, 2006, 10:24 PM	#3
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	.05dB is usually safe, but bear in mind that systems with oversampling may create distortion. Our masters typically are -1dB these days, but for a couple years, our house standard was -.02dB. We had a few complaints, so have now settled in at -1dB. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

May 25th, 2006, 04:08 PM	#2
Berns Ortiz Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 32	ok, first, how does it sound? If it sounds ok with you then it might be ok. It is very safe to set the ceiling on the limiter to -.3 - -5dbfs. Avoid going straght for 0 dbfs. This is because some lower quality DAC's on some players will clip even in -.2 or -.1. Other than that, just check the reduction meter in the waves L1. How much db's of compression are you gettin? 2, 3, 4 might be ok. The waveform might look like a brick sometimes when you are all zoomed out. Try to zoom in, if there are not very extreme shuts, then you should be ok. This won't affect replication either. Its not like the old LP's. Its just data, I don't think you will get into problems.

May 25th, 2006, 10:32 PM	#4
Glenn Davidson Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Nevada City, California Posts: 499	I think I will use the -1db rule. Want got me concered was listening to a CD from a previous version that was sent to the plant clean, but the CD copy sounded clipped and in fact goes red on my ProTools meters. I know it was not sent like that. It even has hiss and the EQ sounds off. This was done in Hong Kong so we had very little control of the product. Thanks for the heads up on the headroom!

May 25th, 2006, 10:48 PM	#5
Berns Ortiz Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 32	Also, if you're using dither, make sure you check your meters with dither on before doing the final bounce. Dither will add some level wich might be also another reason why you get clips.