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Maximo Salaberry · December 30th, 2005, 11:59 PM

I just bought the Sennheiser G2 with the plug in option for handheld remote
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

What is a recommended handheld mike for thus system?

I've searched the forums and I think these appear to be some choices:

Electro Voice RE50N/D-B - Omni-Directional Handheld Dynamic N/DYM Shock Mounted ENG Microphone (Black)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=102900&is=REG

Sennheiser MD46 - Cardioid Handheld Dynamic ENG Microphone
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=223940&is=REG

Audio-Technica AT804 - Omni-Directional Handheld Dynamic ENG Microphone
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...u=68197&is=REG

Audio-Technica ATM27HE Dynamic Neodymium Handheld Microphone
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...u=97708&is=REG

The first two cost about $180. The last two about $90. That's within my preferred budget. Anything more I get from the more pricey ones? Also any preference about cardioid and omni? does it really make a big difference when the mike is held close to the interviewee?

Thank you in advance

Maximo

Dave Largent · December 31st, 2005, 12:25 AM

For what purpose will the mic be used?
Will the mic be on a mic stand? If
not on a stand, who will be holding it?

Maximo Salaberry · December 31st, 2005, 02:10 AM

handheld in most cases, and considering that I'll be a one-man band in many cases, even the interviewee will hold the mike.

Hmmm, I have a feeling that this will make a difference, but not sure how: is it because the mike might be kept too far or too close to mouth? or directed sideways? Maybe an omni is better in such cases?

Anyway, thank you for your feedback so far.

Maximo

Maximo Salaberry · December 31st, 2005, 02:15 AM

I forgot to mention mike would be used mostly for interviews (one person or more than one, latter case more viable to use this mike rather than the lapel). Also if stopping people on the street I figure a handheld mike does not require the set up of a lavalier. Also, in some cases I may be able to use both a lavalier and a handheld remote (with another G2) in cases when I can wire up a speaker and then leave the handheld for use with audience.

thank you
M

Dave Largent · December 31st, 2005, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximo Salaberry

Hmmm, I have a feeling that this will make a difference, but not sure how: is it because the mike might be kept too far or too close to mouth? or directed sideways? Maybe an omni is better in such cases?

Yes, inexperienced users can direct it sideways so
best to have an omni.

Graham Bernard · December 31st, 2005, 02:30 AM

Maximo - I use the Senni MD42 with the same butt plug.

Here's the Senni Reporter's mic:

http://www.canford.co.uk/commerce/it...4_3001931.aspx

I've done exactly what you say. Works a dream. It has a kind of proximity dome of capture. The more noisy the background the nearer you need to get the mic to each speaker. The quieter the background you can relax a bit. OK, I've used this in conjunction with a camera mounted Senni66. This is adequate, but I do get that unfortunate and obvious wah wah as I may move the camera from interviewer to interviewee. I'm now considering lapel-ling up the interviewer with their own Tx and a separate Rx. Maybe. Big expense. As I have a lapel Tx setup I maybe in the market for a dual Rx to take both BUT separate attenuated Tx signals.

So, that would be my dream solution. Lapel Tx the interviewer and use the MD42 with the butt Tx and a dual Rx with 2 short cablings going into a mixer or straight to camera.

Grazie

Steve House · December 31st, 2005, 06:47 AM

Also look st Shure SM63 or VP64. The extra length can help keep the inerviewee on-mic

Jay Massengill · January 1st, 2006, 12:55 PM

If an untrained interviewee will hold the mic, or if you must use a single mic for two or more people including the interviewer, then an omni will work better. They are also less prone to wind noise, but should still be protected for outdoor use. A cardioid will give better sound quality when conditions are suitable, usually when you have more control of the mic itself but can't do anything about ambient noise.
The AT804 omni has good sound, low cost and high sensitivity, but it's very short and has a very 1970's look to it. I don't know if you'd have the same problem with a Senn plug-on, but my Lectro plug-on refuses to latch with this mic. This joint must be secure because it forms part of the antenna system.
The EV 635N/D-B (higher output and black) would also be a good choice and a little less expensive than some of the RE50 versions.
If you want about double the sensitivity, usually only needed when the mic will be on a stand at a greater distance from the subject, the battery-powered ATM10a omni is great at about $100.
If you do choose a cardioid, the Senn e835 is a less expensive alternative to the MD46. It is shorter, but has similar sound qualities. I recently recorded several presentations with one at a podium (also sending to PA), awesome sound despite the often not-perfect placement as different people would give their presentations.

Greg Bellotte · January 1st, 2006, 09:34 PM

I'll throw my two cents in for the EV RE-50. It's basically a 635a inside of a bigger shock mount. It rejects handling and fidgetting noise-very good if people aren't used to holding a mic. It has a pretty good windscreen built in-good for outdoor use. You'll also see it very widely used in broadcast news and interview applications, for good reason.

Jay Massengill · January 2nd, 2006, 02:28 PM

And I also forgot to mention the AKG D230.
http://www.akgusa.com/pages/pdfs/pre..._apps/D230.pdf

December 30th, 2005, 11:59 PM	#1
Maximo Salaberry Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 66	handheld recomm for evolution G2 plug-in transmitter I just bought the Sennheiser G2 with the plug in option for handheld remote http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search What is a recommended handheld mike for thus system? I've searched the forums and I think these appear to be some choices: Electro Voice RE50N/D-B - Omni-Directional Handheld Dynamic N/DYM Shock Mounted ENG Microphone (Black) http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=102900&is=REG Sennheiser MD46 - Cardioid Handheld Dynamic ENG Microphone http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=223940&is=REG Audio-Technica AT804 - Omni-Directional Handheld Dynamic ENG Microphone http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...u=68197&is=REG Audio-Technica ATM27HE Dynamic Neodymium Handheld Microphone http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...u=97708&is=REG The first two cost about $180. The last two about $90. That's within my preferred budget. Anything more I get from the more pricey ones? Also any preference about cardioid and omni? does it really make a big difference when the mike is held close to the interviewee? Thank you in advance Maximo

December 31st, 2005, 02:10 AM	#3
Maximo Salaberry Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 66	interviewee or audio assistant mostly handheld in most cases, and considering that I'll be a one-man band in many cases, even the interviewee will hold the mike. Hmmm, I have a feeling that this will make a difference, but not sure how: is it because the mike might be kept too far or too close to mouth? or directed sideways? Maybe an omni is better in such cases? Anyway, thank you for your feedback so far. Maximo

December 31st, 2005, 02:15 AM	#4
Maximo Salaberry Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 66	PS: for interviews I forgot to mention mike would be used mostly for interviews (one person or more than one, latter case more viable to use this mike rather than the lapel). Also if stopping people on the street I figure a handheld mike does not require the set up of a lavalier. Also, in some cases I may be able to use both a lavalier and a handheld remote (with another G2) in cases when I can wire up a speaker and then leave the handheld for use with audience. thank you M

December 31st, 2005, 06:47 AM	#7
Steve House Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,742	Also look st Shure SM63 or VP64. The extra length can help keep the inerviewee on-mic __________________ Good news, Cousins! This week's chocolate ration is 15 grams!

December 31st, 2005, 12:25 AM	#2
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	For what purpose will the mic be used? Will the mic be on a mic stand? If not on a stand, who will be holding it?

December 31st, 2005, 02:30 AM	#6
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Maximo - I use the Senni MD42 with the same butt plug. Here's the Senni Reporter's mic: http://www.canford.co.uk/commerce/it...4_3001931.aspx I've done exactly what you say. Works a dream. It has a kind of proximity dome of capture. The more noisy the background the nearer you need to get the mic to each speaker. The quieter the background you can relax a bit. OK, I've used this in conjunction with a camera mounted Senni66. This is adequate, but I do get that unfortunate and obvious wah wah as I may move the camera from interviewer to interviewee. I'm now considering lapel-ling up the interviewer with their own Tx and a separate Rx. Maybe. Big expense. As I have a lapel Tx setup I maybe in the market for a dual Rx to take both BUT separate attenuated Tx signals. So, that would be my dream solution. Lapel Tx the interviewer and use the MD42 with the butt Tx and a dual Rx with 2 short cablings going into a mixer or straight to camera. Grazie

January 1st, 2006, 12:55 PM	#8
Jay Massengill Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burlington Posts: 1,976	If an untrained interviewee will hold the mic, or if you must use a single mic for two or more people including the interviewer, then an omni will work better. They are also less prone to wind noise, but should still be protected for outdoor use. A cardioid will give better sound quality when conditions are suitable, usually when you have more control of the mic itself but can't do anything about ambient noise. The AT804 omni has good sound, low cost and high sensitivity, but it's very short and has a very 1970's look to it. I don't know if you'd have the same problem with a Senn plug-on, but my Lectro plug-on refuses to latch with this mic. This joint must be secure because it forms part of the antenna system. The EV 635N/D-B (higher output and black) would also be a good choice and a little less expensive than some of the RE50 versions. If you want about double the sensitivity, usually only needed when the mic will be on a stand at a greater distance from the subject, the battery-powered ATM10a omni is great at about $100. If you do choose a cardioid, the Senn e835 is a less expensive alternative to the MD46. It is shorter, but has similar sound qualities. I recently recorded several presentations with one at a podium (also sending to PA), awesome sound despite the often not-perfect placement as different people would give their presentations.

January 1st, 2006, 09:34 PM	#9
Greg Bellotte Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 291	I'll throw my two cents in for the EV RE-50. It's basically a 635a inside of a bigger shock mount. It rejects handling and fidgetting noise-very good if people aren't used to holding a mic. It has a pretty good windscreen built in-good for outdoor use. You'll also see it very widely used in broadcast news and interview applications, for good reason.

January 2nd, 2006, 02:28 PM	#10
Jay Massengill Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burlington Posts: 1,976	And I also forgot to mention the AKG D230. http://www.akgusa.com/pages/pdfs/pre..._apps/D230.pdf