ORTF symphony recording

Boyd Ostroff · May 6th, 2020, 08:56 AM

John, you might want to look at this support page:

https://vimeo.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/a...error-messages

"Sorry, Because of its privacy settings, this video cannot be played here

If you’re seeing this error in the player, the video you are watching has domain-level privacy enabled. The video’s owner can adjust the domains where a video can appear within “Where can this video be embedded?” section of the embed settings page."

Donald McPherson · May 6th, 2020, 02:39 PM

313 people have watched this. So I don't know what's going on.

John Murphy · May 7th, 2020, 10:19 PM

Thanks everyone. Boyd, I'll have to dig into it. I set the video up so that the viewer had to have the specific link. You can't search and find it you have to have the link. That being said, if you have the link, it should work. Its odd that Andrew is not be able to use the link. Is there some weird region roadblock set-up by specific countries. Maybe someone does not think I have the rights to show the vid? j

Mark Rosenzweig · June 1st, 2020, 05:41 PM

ORTF is my favorite technique - you get very precise instrument locations and a natural sound, as compared with multi-mic recordings or simple omni spreads. I do not think the middle is lacking much - the oboe solo is right in the middle of my head when I listen on headphones. The recording is a little rough sounding though; is this Vimeo compression?

Andrew Smith · June 1st, 2020, 06:52 PM

Weird, today this Vimeo page works for me and I can watch the video.

Code:

https://vimeo.com/410136994/b5a7463040

I think I'll chalk up the problems as being a temporary glitchy issue with Vimeo.

Andrew

Bob Hart · November 5th, 2020, 12:03 AM

When I recorded the Fremantle Symphony Orchestra a few years back, I was experimenting with what mics I had during rehearsals until I was wisely counselled on this forum to respect my orchestra with decent gear.

I built a Decca tree arrangement. I had a Rode NT2A for an omnidirectional centre mic and two Sony C74 shotguns for my wing mics. The Sony mics have rear lobes in their pickup pattern so each became an improvised figure8 with the rear lobe of each mic coinciding with the centreline of the other.

Each was aimed for best sound into the headset and the included angle between the two ended up being about 120 degrees. The mix was three channels into two via a Yamaha MG166c and the recorder was a Zoom H4n.

By the night of the recording I respected the orchestra as best I could afford by buying two more NT2A mikes and calling in a recordist who knew what he was doing. The three mikes were L in figure 8, Centre in omni and R in figure 8.

These clips are by no means in the league of what you are doing but may provide interest in the comparison between the two setups.

Rehearsal

Final recording.

NOTE: The rehearsal clip may not play cleanly. This is a tech issue I can not do anything about. Youtube seems to have shunted old clips with low viewing numbers to an archive. They do not turn up in normal search and has trouble finding them in channel manager. The clip skips when I try to play it here now. Hopefully it may play better for other viewers now that it has been woken up. I hope they fix this issue. People are going to search their own archives and clutter youtube with multiple copies of their clips if this keeps on happening.

Paul R Johnson · November 5th, 2020, 11:58 AM

Plays fine for me here.

Oren Arieli · November 5th, 2020, 05:41 PM

I would try again using a private browser...or if you have access to VPN, you can 'choose' the country of IP origin (I believe).

Oren Arieli · November 5th, 2020, 05:43 PM

Sounds great John...with my Sony headphones. Clean and warm sound, perhaps just a tad lacking in the high frequencies. Then again, my ears aren't as young as my brain would lead me to believe.

John Murphy · November 5th, 2020, 09:55 PM

Hi Bob, good to hear from you again. It was a long time ago but we met at NAB in the late 1990's. We were seated next to each other at a Sony Vegas party. I won a dvd mastering program, we both agreed that was a score!

Anyway, one of the biggest improvements in my recordings came when I stepped up to the Zoom F8n from the H6. The pre-amps really are very good.
I researched the Decca tree when I first started down this road. It just seemed too damn complicated. ORTF seemed the most natural to me. Dead simple to setup and returns great results. I've strayed from the setup because of the orchestra having to spread out so much from the virus.

Thanks Oren.

j

May 6th, 2020, 08:56 AM	#16
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	Re: ORTF symphony recording John, you might want to look at this support page: https://vimeo.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/a...error-messages "Sorry, Because of its privacy settings, this video cannot be played here If you’re seeing this error in the player, the video you are watching has domain-level privacy enabled. The video’s owner can adjust the domains where a video can appear within “Where can this video be embedded?” section of the embed settings page."

May 6th, 2020, 02:39 PM	#17
Donald McPherson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Aberdeen Scotland Posts: 815	Re: ORTF symphony recording 313 people have watched this. So I don't know what's going on. __________________ A little knowledge goes a long way but not long enough.

May 7th, 2020, 10:19 PM	#18
John Murphy Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Helena, MT Posts: 94	Re: ORTF symphony recording Thanks everyone. Boyd, I'll have to dig into it. I set the video up so that the viewer had to have the specific link. You can't search and find it you have to have the link. That being said, if you have the link, it should work. Its odd that Andrew is not be able to use the link. Is there some weird region roadblock set-up by specific countries. Maybe someone does not think I have the rights to show the vid? j

June 1st, 2020, 05:41 PM	#19
Mark Rosenzweig Trustee Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 1,004	Re: ORTF symphony recording ORTF is my favorite technique - you get very precise instrument locations and a natural sound, as compared with multi-mic recordings or simple omni spreads. I do not think the middle is lacking much - the oboe solo is right in the middle of my head when I listen on headphones. The recording is a little rough sounding though; is this Vimeo compression?

June 1st, 2020, 06:52 PM	#20
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,065	Re: ORTF symphony recording Weird, today this Vimeo page works for me and I can watch the video. Code: https://vimeo.com/410136994/b5a7463040 I think I'll chalk up the problems as being a temporary glitchy issue with Vimeo. Andrew

November 5th, 2020, 12:03 AM	#21
Bob Hart Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA. Posts: 4,477	Re: ORTF symphony recording When I recorded the Fremantle Symphony Orchestra a few years back, I was experimenting with what mics I had during rehearsals until I was wisely counselled on this forum to respect my orchestra with decent gear. I built a Decca tree arrangement. I had a Rode NT2A for an omnidirectional centre mic and two Sony C74 shotguns for my wing mics. The Sony mics have rear lobes in their pickup pattern so each became an improvised figure8 with the rear lobe of each mic coinciding with the centreline of the other. Each was aimed for best sound into the headset and the included angle between the two ended up being about 120 degrees. The mix was three channels into two via a Yamaha MG166c and the recorder was a Zoom H4n. By the night of the recording I respected the orchestra as best I could afford by buying two more NT2A mikes and calling in a recordist who knew what he was doing. The three mikes were L in figure 8, Centre in omni and R in figure 8. These clips are by no means in the league of what you are doing but may provide interest in the comparison between the two setups. Rehearsal FRA DIAVOLO EXTRACTS REHEARSAL.mp4 - YouTube Final recording. FRA DIAVOLO ARRANGEMENTS FOR IBTTS.mp4 - YouTube NOTE: The rehearsal clip may not play cleanly. This is a tech issue I can not do anything about. Youtube seems to have shunted old clips with low viewing numbers to an archive. They do not turn up in normal search and has trouble finding them in channel manager. The clip skips when I try to play it here now. Hopefully it may play better for other viewers now that it has been woken up. I hope they fix this issue. People are going to search their own archives and clutter youtube with multiple copies of their clips if this keeps on happening. Last edited by Bob Hart; November 5th, 2020 at 12:09 AM. Reason: added text

November 5th, 2020, 11:58 AM	#22
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,045	Re: ORTF symphony recording Plays fine for me here.

November 5th, 2020, 05:41 PM	#23
Oren Arieli Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 919	Re: ORTF symphony recording I would try again using a private browser...or if you have access to VPN, you can 'choose' the country of IP origin (I believe).

November 5th, 2020, 05:43 PM	#24
Oren Arieli Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 919	Re: ORTF symphony recording Sounds great John...with my Sony headphones. Clean and warm sound, perhaps just a tad lacking in the high frequencies. Then again, my ears aren't as young as my brain would lead me to believe.

November 5th, 2020, 09:55 PM	#25
John Murphy Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Helena, MT Posts: 94	Re: ORTF symphony recording Hi Bob, good to hear from you again. It was a long time ago but we met at NAB in the late 1990's. We were seated next to each other at a Sony Vegas party. I won a dvd mastering program, we both agreed that was a score! Anyway, one of the biggest improvements in my recordings came when I stepped up to the Zoom F8n from the H6. The pre-amps really are very good. I researched the Decca tree when I first started down this road. It just seemed too damn complicated. ORTF seemed the most natural to me. Dead simple to setup and returns great results. I've strayed from the setup because of the orchestra having to spread out so much from the virus. Thanks Oren. j