Question about a field recorder works in this case.

Pete Cofrancesco · February 11th, 2020, 04:07 PM

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Paul R Johnson · February 11th, 2020, 04:08 PM

Ryan - get a grip. This is so common as to be meaningless. They provide 48V for microphones, they can work on 1.5V cells, or 12V - which of course is available in every vehicle, or plenty of common power supplies. What on earth makes you thing designers need to make a product function on one single power rail?

Remember that many phantom powered mics can actually operate on a huge range of voltages - but the box says 48V, when 9-52V is pretty common.

You're taking a page from the manual and trying to find some kind of link that makes sense to you. what's the point?

Two of my portable recorders have 6 1.5V cells in the battery compartment - it too has a 12V power supply socket.

Forget this, it's not something you can understand with your non-electronic background. Accept it as something that is perfectly normal and move on.

Ryan Elder · February 11th, 2020, 04:08 PM

Oh okay. So basically as said before, if I don't use a 12 V adapter, than the batteries will slowly die out cause they are using power as well, is that right?

Brian Drysdale · February 11th, 2020, 04:22 PM

If you're not using the 12v external power supply and you're using the internal batteries to power the recroder, they will drain. Same happens if you leave it lying around not using the batteries, they will have a limited shelf live and will drain. Also, if you leave them inside, just using the external power supply, the battery shelf life will apply.

Paul R Johnson · February 11th, 2020, 04:39 PM

Batteries do not 'use' power, they provide it! In some designs, when you plug in the power supply, the battery circuit is disconnected - then, as Brian says, the batteries are effectively sitting on the shelf - no drain on them at all. In some other designs, the batteries are still connected, just waiting for the power supply to be disconnected - in this case, the will gradually discharge and become useless. Without a test meter, you won't know which is which. TBH - it doesn't matter.

Greg Miller · February 11th, 2020, 04:49 PM

Ryan: Because the recorder is designed that way. It's possible to convert voltage up and down. Whoever designed this recorder decided to use four cells as a battery pack. They decided to use a 12V power adapter. That's the end of it. I don't know, and don't give a rat's butt, WHY the designer made those choices. It is what it is. Why do some recorders run on 5V, some on 6V, some on 9V, some on 12V? Seemingly arbitrary choices, and it doesn't matter in the least. If you want to research the history of this recorder, call the manufacturer, find out who designed it, call the designer(s) (if they're still alive) and ask them.

The reason those decisions was made is immaterial to solving your problem. Quit asking!

IF your goal is to get that recorder to work with an AC adapter, get the correct adapter, plug it in, and hopefully it will work. If you are just looking for somebody to BS with, I suggest you go down to the corner bar instead of wasting a lot of time here.

Ryan Elder · February 11th, 2020, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul R Johnson

Batteries do not 'use' power, they provide it! In some designs, when you plug in the power supply, the battery circuit is disconnected - then, as Brian says, the batteries are effectively sitting on the shelf - no drain on them at all. In some other designs, the batteries are still connected, just waiting for the power supply to be disconnected - in this case, the will gradually discharge and become useless. Without a test meter, you won't know which is which. TBH - it doesn't matter.

Oh okay. Well I think in this design the batteries are still connected I am guessing, since it will not take any power from the adapter, if the batteries are not plugged in as well.

Greg Miller · February 11th, 2020, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan Elder

it will not take any power from the adapter, if the batteries are not plugged in as well.

That would be extremely unusual design. Why do you say that? You've never tried it with the correct AC adapter. It might work fine.

Pete Cofrancesco · February 11th, 2020, 05:32 PM

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Greg Miller · February 11th, 2020, 05:35 PM

I'm starting to think that Ryan doesn't even have the recorder.

I found some interesting videos when I googled "The Ryan Wray Show youtube."

Josh Bass · February 11th, 2020, 05:43 PM

(silence as entire forum goes to youtube to search)

Pete Cofrancesco · February 11th, 2020, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Miller

I'm starting to think that Ryan doesn't even have the recorder.

I found some interesting videos when I googled "The Ryan Wray Show youtube."

Wow yeah so we’ve pretty much been wasting our time. Oh well. I need a drink.

Greg Miller · February 11th, 2020, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Cofrancesco

Wow yeah so we’ve pretty much been wasting our time.

I've felt that way since I read Ryan's first thread ages ago.

Josh Bass · February 11th, 2020, 05:59 PM

i have to go to two grocery stores so i cant watch but i have to know. WHATS THE SECRET?

Greg Miller · February 11th, 2020, 06:02 PM

I can't put it into words but it'll take you less than a minute to watch.

Of course we don't know it's the same Ryan.

February 11th, 2020, 04:07 PM	#76
Pete Cofrancesco Inner Circle Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA Posts: 3,005	Re: Question about a field recorder works in this case. ........... Last edited by Pete Cofrancesco; February 11th, 2020 at 07:33 PM.

February 11th, 2020, 04:08 PM	#77
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,045	Re: Question about a field recorder works in this case. Ryan - get a grip. This is so common as to be meaningless. They provide 48V for microphones, they can work on 1.5V cells, or 12V - which of course is available in every vehicle, or plenty of common power supplies. What on earth makes you thing designers need to make a product function on one single power rail? Remember that many phantom powered mics can actually operate on a huge range of voltages - but the box says 48V, when 9-52V is pretty common. You're taking a page from the manual and trying to find some kind of link that makes sense to you. what's the point? Two of my portable recorders have 6 1.5V cells in the battery compartment - it too has a 12V power supply socket. Forget this, it's not something you can understand with your non-electronic background. Accept it as something that is perfectly normal and move on.

February 11th, 2020, 04:08 PM	#78
Ryan Elder also known as Ryan Wray Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Saskatoon, Canada Posts: 2,888	Re: Question about a field recorder works in this case. Oh okay. So basically as said before, if I don't use a 12 V adapter, than the batteries will slowly die out cause they are using power as well, is that right?

February 11th, 2020, 04:22 PM	#79
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,152	Re: Question about a field recorder works in this case. If you're not using the 12v external power supply and you're using the internal batteries to power the recroder, they will drain. Same happens if you leave it lying around not using the batteries, they will have a limited shelf live and will drain. Also, if you leave them inside, just using the external power supply, the battery shelf life will apply.

February 11th, 2020, 04:39 PM	#80
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,045	Re: Question about a field recorder works in this case. Batteries do not 'use' power, they provide it! In some designs, when you plug in the power supply, the battery circuit is disconnected - then, as Brian says, the batteries are effectively sitting on the shelf - no drain on them at all. In some other designs, the batteries are still connected, just waiting for the power supply to be disconnected - in this case, the will gradually discharge and become useless. Without a test meter, you won't know which is which. TBH - it doesn't matter.

February 11th, 2020, 04:49 PM	#81
Greg Miller Trustee Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,792	Re: Question about a field recorder works in this case. Ryan: Because the recorder is designed that way. It's possible to convert voltage up and down. Whoever designed this recorder decided to use four cells as a battery pack. They decided to use a 12V power adapter. That's the end of it. I don't know, and don't give a rat's butt, WHY the designer made those choices. It is what it is. Why do some recorders run on 5V, some on 6V, some on 9V, some on 12V? Seemingly arbitrary choices, and it doesn't matter in the least. If you want to research the history of this recorder, call the manufacturer, find out who designed it, call the designer(s) (if they're still alive) and ask them. The reason those decisions was made is immaterial to solving your problem. Quit asking! IF your goal is to get that recorder to work with an AC adapter, get the correct adapter, plug it in, and hopefully it will work. If you are just looking for somebody to BS with, I suggest you go down to the corner bar instead of wasting a lot of time here.

February 11th, 2020, 05:32 PM	#84
Pete Cofrancesco Inner Circle Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA Posts: 3,005	Re: Question about a field recorder works in this case. ........... Last edited by Pete Cofrancesco; February 11th, 2020 at 07:39 PM.

February 11th, 2020, 05:35 PM	#85
Greg Miller Trustee Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,792	Re: Question about a field recorder works in this case. I'm starting to think that Ryan doesn't even have the recorder. I found some interesting videos when I googled "The Ryan Wray Show youtube."

February 11th, 2020, 05:43 PM	#86
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Re: Question about a field recorder works in this case. (silence as entire forum goes to youtube to search) __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

February 11th, 2020, 05:59 PM	#89
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Re: Question about a field recorder works in this case. i have to go to two grocery stores so i cant watch but i have to know. WHATS THE SECRET? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

February 11th, 2020, 06:02 PM	#90
Greg Miller Trustee Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,792	Re: Question about a field recorder works in this case. I can't put it into words but it'll take you less than a minute to watch. Of course we don't know it's the same Ryan.