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Noa Put · August 16th, 2014, 11:56 AM

I absolutely love how topgear edits their films and how they do the sounddesign, there is one effect however I would like to replicate but I don't know if that is even possible in post. In below videos I start the video when you hear the crowd in the stadium and that sound slowly fades out to silence, that's not a simple fade but I wonder if there is any tutorial online how to achieve this effect?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEcVusYl3y0#t=70

James Manford · August 16th, 2014, 12:09 PM

Can indeed be done in post ...

You need to play around with audio software. I don't know the specifics to get the effect but i'm fairly sure it can be done.

Seth Bloombaum · August 16th, 2014, 02:10 PM

To my ear that sounds like keyframed EQ and reverb/echo effects.

When the crowd silences especially, I'm hearing a ramp down of the high frequencies. The low frequencies that are revealed seem very reverberant.

In the absence of an NLE or DAW that offers keyframing of the audio effect parameters, you would create at least two duplicate tracks. One contains the effects as you wish them at the start of the transition, the other as you wish for the end of the effect. Then you use volume envelopes to crossfade between the tracks.

Depending on the effects and transitions desired, you might need more than two tracks.

I've not seen any tutorials on this.

Martijn Damen · August 28th, 2014, 06:08 PM

This "fade" is done with a lowpass/highcut filter and some reverb on the filtered signal.
So .. after the guy says "the Stig" the lowpass filter filters the frequency from 20Khz to about 120Hz in a straight line till just before scissors. A straight slope where gradually the high frequencies are filtered ending at ~120 Hz.
The reverb is mixed in at 1:16 and is max at 1:20.
Then the scissors are dubbed over, that sound is not filtered and it has it's own reverb, so it really stands out of the soundscape.
After the scissors there are sound fx and a new scene begins.
Top Gear (and BBC) deliver very fine edits indeed !
If you don't know how to actually do this, just ask :)

Noa Put · August 29th, 2014, 12:45 PM

Thx for the responses so far, also thx for the detailed walkthrough how to achieve this effect Martijn, it does sound quite complicated to achieve though, not sure if that can be done inside Edius 7?

Martijn Damen · August 30th, 2014, 02:08 PM

I found a way to make this work in Edius Noa :)
It's not what I hoped for, but you can mimic this effect with a bit of crossfading fun.
I tried to render the clip, but failed to render the audio with the video, obviously doing something wrong as an edius noob ..
I do have an infograph for you:
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1735x976q90/538/cUGXN5.jpg

First audio track is the original track, (no fx) it fades out.
Second is a copy of the first track, (low-pass 120Hz) , it fades in.
Third is a copy of the first track, (low-pass 120Hz + delay) , fades in later.

A fade in with a high-pass is also a good option to make your audio transitions more exiting.

Martijn Damen · August 30th, 2014, 02:14 PM

Seth is totally right. That's how I did it.
I managed to render the video:

Noa Put · August 31st, 2014, 07:56 AM

Thx for the edius tutorial! Will experiment some the coming weeks.

James Manford · August 31st, 2014, 08:24 AM

How cool is that! well done for figuring it out. I guess you can mimic the same thing in Sony Vegas too then or any other NLE pretty much.

Noa Put · August 31st, 2014, 08:42 AM

Sony Vegas is far superior to edius when it comes to audio so I would be surprised if this would not be possible.

Martijn Damen · September 1st, 2014, 12:59 PM

I have checked it out for Vegas and there you can automate all fx settings just as you can automate volume and pan in edius. So no mimicking is needed.
Vegas has no native low-pass so you have to get a 3rd party vst for that, and sony's reverb doesn't sound as good as I whish so I'll look for a better one also (freeware hopfully)
I'll probably make a tutorial on this later this week ...

Rick Reineke · September 1st, 2014, 03:23 PM

Vegas Pro along with the companion program Sound Forge Pro have everything one would need for that particular effect. Audio pros (me) however, normally have lots of other free and purchased audio plug-ins as well.

James Manford · September 1st, 2014, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martijn Damen

I have checked it out for Vegas and there you can automate all fx settings just as you can automate volume and pan in edius. So no mimicking is needed.
Vegas has no native low-pass so you have to get a 3rd party vst for that, and sony's reverb doesn't sound as good as I whish so I'll look for a better one also (freeware hopfully)
I'll probably make a tutorial on this later this week ...

Do it, that would be awesome.

Been learning a few things this week actually (related to image rather than sound), but would love to learn audio related effects like that too on Vegas.

Rick Reineke · September 2nd, 2014, 08:58 AM

All the FX sends/returns can be automated in Vegas Pro, as well as all the VST plug-ins (and many DX plugs) in real-time PB by mouse, external fader surface. Also by the usual envelopes if desired. It's more complicated than the usual Vegas audio workflow though... and in typical SCS (Sony Creative Software) fashion, the manual doesn't explain the process/controls very well.

Martijn Damen · September 8th, 2014, 04:53 PM

Ok, here a "tutorial" on this in vegas:
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/17...674/AF0TvJ.jpg

Result:

I got the free LPF filter here:
AdmiralQuality.com - Naive LPF

To put it in Vegas, copy/paste the .dll file in your plug-ins folder or make a plug-ins folder, next, in Vegas, go to Options>Preferences>VST effects. There you browse to the folder you just put it in to set it as your Default VST search folder, click refresh, and you can use it in vegas.

August 16th, 2014, 11:56 AM	#1
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	fading sound I absolutely love how topgear edits their films and how they do the sounddesign, there is one effect however I would like to replicate but I don't know if that is even possible in post. In below videos I start the video when you hear the crowd in the stadium and that sound slowly fades out to silence, that's not a simple fade but I wonder if there is any tutorial online how to achieve this effect? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEcVusYl3y0#t=70

August 16th, 2014, 12:09 PM	#2
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: fading sound Can indeed be done in post ... You need to play around with audio software. I don't know the specifics to get the effect but i'm fairly sure it can be done.

August 16th, 2014, 02:10 PM	#3
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Re: fading sound To my ear that sounds like keyframed EQ and reverb/echo effects. When the crowd silences especially, I'm hearing a ramp down of the high frequencies. The low frequencies that are revealed seem very reverberant. In the absence of an NLE or DAW that offers keyframing of the audio effect parameters, you would create at least two duplicate tracks. One contains the effects as you wish them at the start of the transition, the other as you wish for the end of the effect. Then you use volume envelopes to crossfade between the tracks. Depending on the effects and transitions desired, you might need more than two tracks. I've not seen any tutorials on this. __________________ 30 years of pro media production. Vegas user since 1.0. Webcaster since 1997. Freelancer since 2000. College instructor since 2001.

August 28th, 2014, 06:08 PM	#4
Martijn Damen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Valkenswaard, Netherlands Posts: 62	Re: fading sound This "fade" is done with a lowpass/highcut filter and some reverb on the filtered signal. So .. after the guy says "the Stig" the lowpass filter filters the frequency from 20Khz to about 120Hz in a straight line till just before scissors. A straight slope where gradually the high frequencies are filtered ending at ~120 Hz. The reverb is mixed in at 1:16 and is max at 1:20. Then the scissors are dubbed over, that sound is not filtered and it has it's own reverb, so it really stands out of the soundscape. After the scissors there are sound fx and a new scene begins. Top Gear (and BBC) deliver very fine edits indeed ! If you don't know how to actually do this, just ask :) Last edited by Martijn Damen; August 28th, 2014 at 06:14 PM. Reason: .

August 29th, 2014, 12:45 PM	#5
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: fading sound Thx for the responses so far, also thx for the detailed walkthrough how to achieve this effect Martijn, it does sound quite complicated to achieve though, not sure if that can be done inside Edius 7?

August 30th, 2014, 02:08 PM	#6
Martijn Damen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Valkenswaard, Netherlands Posts: 62	Re: fading sound I found a way to make this work in Edius Noa :) It's not what I hoped for, but you can mimic this effect with a bit of crossfading fun. I tried to render the clip, but failed to render the audio with the video, obviously doing something wrong as an edius noob .. I do have an infograph for you: https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1735x976q90/538/cUGXN5.jpg First audio track is the original track, (no fx) it fades out. Second is a copy of the first track, (low-pass 120Hz) , it fades in. Third is a copy of the first track, (low-pass 120Hz + delay) , fades in later. A fade in with a high-pass is also a good option to make your audio transitions more exiting.

August 30th, 2014, 02:14 PM	#7
Martijn Damen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Valkenswaard, Netherlands Posts: 62	Re: fading sound Seth is totally right. That's how I did it. I managed to render the video: YouTube (Short URL) Last edited by Martijn Damen; August 31st, 2014 at 01:35 AM. Reason: .

August 31st, 2014, 07:56 AM	#8
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: fading sound Thx for the edius tutorial! Will experiment some the coming weeks.

August 31st, 2014, 08:24 AM	#9
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: fading sound How cool is that! well done for figuring it out. I guess you can mimic the same thing in Sony Vegas too then or any other NLE pretty much.

August 31st, 2014, 08:42 AM	#10
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: fading sound Sony Vegas is far superior to edius when it comes to audio so I would be surprised if this would not be possible.

September 1st, 2014, 12:59 PM	#11
Martijn Damen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Valkenswaard, Netherlands Posts: 62	Re: fading sound I have checked it out for Vegas and there you can automate all fx settings just as you can automate volume and pan in edius. So no mimicking is needed. Vegas has no native low-pass so you have to get a 3rd party vst for that, and sony's reverb doesn't sound as good as I whish so I'll look for a better one also (freeware hopfully) I'll probably make a tutorial on this later this week ...

September 1st, 2014, 03:23 PM	#12
Rick Reineke Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New York Posts: 2,039	Re: fading sound Vegas Pro along with the companion program Sound Forge Pro have everything one would need for that particular effect. Audio pros (me) however, normally have lots of other free and purchased audio plug-ins as well.

September 2nd, 2014, 08:58 AM	#14
Rick Reineke Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New York Posts: 2,039	Re: fading sound All the FX sends/returns can be automated in Vegas Pro, as well as all the VST plug-ins (and many DX plugs) in real-time PB by mouse, external fader surface. Also by the usual envelopes if desired. It's more complicated than the usual Vegas audio workflow though... and in typical SCS (Sony Creative Software) fashion, the manual doesn't explain the process/controls very well.

September 8th, 2014, 04:53 PM	#15
Martijn Damen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Valkenswaard, Netherlands Posts: 62	Re: fading sound Ok, here a "tutorial" on this in vegas: https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/17...674/AF0TvJ.jpg Result: Low Pass Fade Vegas - YouTube I got the free LPF filter here: AdmiralQuality.com - Naive LPF To put it in Vegas, copy/paste the .dll file in your plug-ins folder or make a plug-ins folder, next, in Vegas, go to Options>Preferences>VST effects. There you browse to the folder you just put it in to set it as your Default VST search folder, click refresh, and you can use it in vegas.