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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
Attenuators are horrible for portable use because they stick out and their weight and length ends up stressing the XLR connections. Plus XLR and attenuators almost double the length of the X4n versus a 1/8" plug.
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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
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For balanced input you'd definitely be using the XLR connectors. Agreed, I would not like to use the separate XLR style attenuators, plugged into the recorder, with the input cable plugged into those... they are, indeed, very long and very hard on the connectors. I like to use them between two short XLR cables, so they are not hanging out of the recorder (or the source gear, either). Alternateily, It is possible to make attenuator cables with the 1/8 watt resistors inside the XLR shells, no additional size at all. And since the OP is recording from the mixing boards, hopefully he will be in a location where he can set up the recorder, and a DI box, on a table of some sort, not dangling out in space. (Of course there's no way to guarantee that every situation will be this lucky.) |
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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
I would say that 99% of the recording I have done with my H4 and H4n have been with -10db outputs from a variety of mixers, totaling hundreds of hours. I don't have any problems with overdriving the 1/4-inch inputs or getting distortion in my recordings. The Zoom H4n manual says these inputs can receive a maximum of +2dBm.
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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
It should noted that the DR-40's line level mode does not have full record level adjustment range. It will not go down to infinity or even close. You can boost (or cut) 12dB at most, though I have not done any precise measurements. It would be fine for using with an external mixer. It does not have a 3.5mm mic or line input option. XLR/1/4" TRS combo jacks wired in parallel. .I also suspect a line level signal is NOT attenuated and sent through the mic preamp.. like most budget recorders. The DR-40 supports additional lower level 'safety' tracks as well. It's pre amps are far from stellar, but likely better than the H4n.
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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
Here's a $5 attenuator cable from Radio Shack to use from tape out. It attenuates -60db. You'll need a 1/8" to 1/4 adapter in addition to the cable.
Amazon.com : RadioShack 6ft (1.8m) Shielded Attenuating Audio cable : Hdmi Cables : Electronics |
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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
Up until recently I'd been using an H4n. I got a Roland/Edirol R-44 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542280-REG/Edirol_Roland_R_44_R_44_Solid_State_Four_Channel_Portable.html) recently, and it's much better. Plus it doesn't take 2 minutes to fire up, unlike the H4n. For half the cost you may also want to check out the Roland R-26: Roland R-26 6-Channel Digital Field Audio Recorder R-26 B&H
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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
The Zoom H6 has switchable 20 dB pads on its balanced XLR inputs. I've used this on tape outs with good success compared to previous Zoom recorders I've tried.
The Sony PCM-D50 line in (unbalanced stereo 3.5mm) worked with +4 line outs at a recent show I recorded but this recorder has been discontinued and replaced with a much higher priced recorder, the PCM-D100 (and the new recorder's main new feature is DSD recording ... ). The PCM-M10 has an excellent reputation for handling line in, is very compact, and is reasonably priced, but I haven't used one to be able to confirm that it works as desired. Line in is also 3.5mm stereo unbalanced. Fran |
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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
When I did a lot of conference work years ago , I used to use my Sony MZR-35 Minidisc recorder .
It was handy both for playing 'walk in' music before the conference started and also for times when I was asked to provide recordings of the conferences ( I would be doing sound ) . This recorder was ( still is ) quite happy plugged into the 'tape out' phono sockets on the various desks we used , or a group output on 1/4" jack if need be ( depending what was available ) . I generally just carry a 2x phono to 3.5mm mini-jack lead plus two 1/4" jack adaptors in the kit with the recorder ; although , if doing sound , I always have my box of odd leads and adaptors/pads which have saved the day on past occasions . The recorder will record for something like 3 hours on a single minidisc if you select mono mode ( which is fine for conferences ) and has the added benefit of bypassing the AGC which operates in stereo mode , and is generally more than enough to record any session . At home , I have a Minidisc deck with optical out connected to my Mac and it is easy to transfer recordings to disc for clients . Certainly a lot easier than humping a Revox along , as we used to do in the old days :) |
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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
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However, I don't miss the real-time transfers! Record 3 hours of conference, 3 hours to get it into the computer.
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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
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First, I question your choice of using the tape outputs. I don't know what type of conferences your going to record but I work in that world. A lot of corporate conferences have very complex audio set ups with a multitude of input sources, IE: computers, video players, audio players, wide variety of mics etc. Recording from the tape output seems like a good idea but will not always get you the MIX you want for your recording. You will get the mix that has been set for live sound reinforcement with no way to adjust for independent sources. For that reason we take a feed from an aux send and adjust record levels for every input before the show starts. Then, small adjustments are made live by tweaking the aux send on any channel that needs it. Second, you inquired about a recorder that is designed for the DSLR world, and so the conversation went. Tascam, Marantz, and others make recording decks designed for recording from mixers that may suit your needs better. Third, "without adapters or anything". Cables, adapters, attenuaters, DI boxes, and such are all part of good audio. You will see a DI box between every laptop that is an audio source (most are in AV) and its input into the console. My point is, a tape output straight to a recorder will get a recording. But it may not be a good one. It is mixed for the house, not you. Steve
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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
And that has absolutely nothing to do with our advice. You don;t seem to like the recommendation that you need a proper kit of various adapters, cables, and isolation devices to be prepared adequately for different situations you will encounter. To expect to find some recorder that will magically accommodate ANY source you encounter is completely unrealistic magical thinking. If you don't want to do the job properly, then recommend that you hire someone with the appropriate gear and experience.
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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
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Back in post #14, Mr. Agius said: Quote:
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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
+ 1 Greg.
Anthony, welcome to the forum. There are some very knowledgeable guys here always willing to help out. And don't hesitate to dig up some old stuff. I know there are plenty of threads here in the audio section where guys have talked about recording corporate events and what is in their kit. What are you using the recording for? Is it the console feed for video recording? Many of my clients are meeting planners. A lot of them have horror story's about how often conference video gets messed up. That happens because they use AV companies to record it, not video production companies. I don't want to sound negative but, I have many years of experience working in that environment. So I can tell you some AV companies don't take recording video seriously enough. Nine times out of ten if they mess it up it is the audio that goes in the toilet. Back up, back up, back up. Steve
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Re: Which portable recorder for pro line level use?
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The real time transfers were never a problem as I just set it going , then left it - either before going to bed , or while I would get on with something else . Sometimes I could just hand over the minidiscs as they were only for producing a transcription of what was said . Quite often we were recording onto audio cassette , using two cassette decks to produce overlapping recordings , and the MiniDisc was just the backup in case I missed a changeover ( who mentioned falling asleep ? ) . |
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