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Tom Van den Berghe · September 2nd, 2013, 12:38 PM

I record my audio with the rode NTG2 into my JVC GY-HM70. (new shoulder cam)
My JVC camcorder can only control audio from -2 till +2.

When filming music concerts the audio is too loud recorded! (sound distortion, even @-2 set in the JVC)

I think a audio recorder could be the solution. Like the zoom H1 you can control easily the input levels and you can use the rode NTG2 for input.

Question is: is this the only option to avoid the sound distortion? There are no other/cheaper options?
I really like the sound recorded of the rode but with distortion it's useless.

I know another camcorder could solve this but that's no option in this case for me.
I really like the camcorder and this is one of it's limitations

Steve House · September 2nd, 2013, 12:56 PM

Just hoe loud are these concerts, what kind of music? You could get more control over the audio levels being sent to the camera by using a "mixer" such as a JuicedLink or Beachtek adapter between the mic and the camera. You might also want to consider a different mic as most shotguns have to narrow a pickup to smoothly cover a group spread out across a stage - a 'gun is more suited to concentrating on an individual performer.

Les Wilson · September 2nd, 2013, 01:11 PM

The Tascam DR-40 recorder has a nice feature on it that records a second file at a lower volume for "safety". If your primary track distorts, the safety track may not. You set how many decibals lower you want the safety to be.

I think syncing up a separate audio track makes for a lot of work. People do it with DSLR video because they have to. If you can at all keep the sound tracked with video, it will save time in post.

Tom Van den Berghe · September 2nd, 2013, 01:12 PM

rockmusic and was loud

I filmed this. the very beginning was recorded with the rode NGT2

I switched to my jbsystems mic (very cheap, 18 euro or 23 dollar) that records not so loud as the rode but the quality is not so clean as the rode. Big price difference between those 2.

I prefer to keep the rode.

thx for your quick answer. I will watch the mixer you said

Or something like this?

http://www.amazon.com/AZDEN-CAM-3-On.../dp/B00006JPD1

Jonathan Levin · September 2nd, 2013, 07:34 PM

Or is there some sort of attenuation setting in the camera menu?

Les Wilson · September 3rd, 2013, 06:58 AM

I read the user guide. Note to self, resist any idea of buying a JVC camera. Horrible.

An XLR attenuator may help. Note the Audio Technica lets you select 3 different levels:
xlr attenuator| B&H Photo Video

Tom Van den Berghe · September 3rd, 2013, 10:46 AM

with an attenuator I can't control my volume.
the audio technical sounds interesting.

I think to be better off with a passive audio mixer?

attenuation setting in the camera menu? no, there isn't. just audio controls from -2,-1,0,+1 and +2.
-2 is still too loud when filming concerts.

I really appreciate your input guys!

Tom Van den Berghe · September 3rd, 2013, 11:16 AM

I think I found it

Sescom SES-MKP-31 Single Channel Inline Balanced Audio Level Control with 1/4 Inch Connectors

This will do the job?

Steve House · September 4th, 2013, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Van den Berghe

I think I found it

Sescom SES-MKP-31 Single Channel Inline Balanced Audio Level Control with 1/4 Inch Connectors

This will do the job?

No, not the right tool.

How are you connecting your NTG2 to the camera? The mic is a balanced mono XLR output. The camera's specs say its external mic input is 3.5mm stereo which makes it unbalanced. Exactly what cables and/or adapters are you using to connect the mic to it?

Tom Van den Berghe · September 4th, 2013, 01:23 PM

my NTG2 is already "converted" from XLR to minjack output. This was done when I bought the camcorder in the shop with the NTG2 so I could connected to my JVC camcorder with only mini-jack in.

I couldn't find a dealer of this sescom in Europe. This + shipping costs are too high for my taste.

I went today to a local "electro" shop if they could build something like the sescom.
They have never done this before but they will make it. Tomorrow I will have it and I hope this works.(will cost my about 60 dollar (or 45 euro))

It will be very small and lightweight.

Let you know.

Steve House · September 4th, 2013, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Van den Berghe

my NTG2 is already "converted" from XLR to minjack output. This was done when I bought the camcorder in the shop with the NTG2 so I could connected to my JVC camcorder with only mini-jack in......

Did they build a converter cable for you or did they modify the mic?

Tom Van den Berghe · September 5th, 2013, 12:58 PM

they modify the mic.

Steve House · September 6th, 2013, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Van den Berghe

they modify the mic.

Then it's anybody's guess what is going wrong. What ever they did to the mic to convert a mono balanced XLR output into aTRS output could have all sorts of negative repercussions, especially if they didn't do it properly. Lord only knows what is going where on the TRS plug and what the levels are now. Why did you have them modify the mic when a $10 adapter cable could be wired to do the job? Now you're stuck.

Ty Ford · September 8th, 2013, 06:30 AM

This is not an unusual case.

Camcorder makers try to figure out how to provide the best average performance for their gear.

This does not include recording live music at a concert. It's more about dialog in the backyard or in places where the SPL is a lot lower.

The question remains; is it the mic or the input (or both) that are being overdriven. A 10 or 20 dB inline pad on the mic should do the job if it's the input that's being overdriven. If it's the mic, you need to use another mic.

You might also get good results by hiring a sound person with a mixer that can adjust to the louder levels by using a good mixer, sending proper level to your camera. Again, if the mic itself is being overdriven, you need another mic.

Regards,

Ty Ford

Tom Van den Berghe · September 14th, 2013, 04:49 AM

You said:

A 10 or 20 dB inline pad on the mic should do the job if it's the input that's being overdriven. If it's the mic, you need to use another mic.

The inline pad will work but It gives me not enough control about the input. I want to control it with levelknob.

I went to the local electroshop and they made me a audio adapter to control the input audio signal.
But it didn't work. From the moment I lowered the input audio signal using the know there was a lot of noise.

I went back today and the person thought I used a line out signal like a radio and not a microphone out.
He said the microphone out signal is to weak and so there will be noise...

Still looking for a solution.

September 2nd, 2013, 12:38 PM	#1
Tom Van den Berghe Major Player Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: BELGIUM Posts: 406	audiorecorder rode NTG2 I record my audio with the rode NTG2 into my JVC GY-HM70. (new shoulder cam) My JVC camcorder can only control audio from -2 till +2. When filming music concerts the audio is too loud recorded! (sound distortion, even @-2 set in the JVC) I think a audio recorder could be the solution. Like the zoom H1 you can control easily the input levels and you can use the rode NTG2 for input. Question is: is this the only option to avoid the sound distortion? There are no other/cheaper options? I really like the sound recorded of the rode but with distortion it's useless. I know another camcorder could solve this but that's no option in this case for me. I really like the camcorder and this is one of it's limitations

September 2nd, 2013, 12:56 PM	#2
Steve House Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,742	Re: audiorecorder rode NTG2 Just hoe loud are these concerts, what kind of music? You could get more control over the audio levels being sent to the camera by using a "mixer" such as a JuicedLink or Beachtek adapter between the mic and the camera. You might also want to consider a different mic as most shotguns have to narrow a pickup to smoothly cover a group spread out across a stage - a 'gun is more suited to concentrating on an individual performer. __________________ Good news, Cousins! This week's chocolate ration is 15 grams!

September 2nd, 2013, 01:11 PM	#3
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Re: audiorecorder rode NTG2 The Tascam DR-40 recorder has a nice feature on it that records a second file at a lower volume for "safety". If your primary track distorts, the safety track may not. You set how many decibals lower you want the safety to be. I think syncing up a separate audio track makes for a lot of work. People do it with DSLR video because they have to. If you can at all keep the sound tracked with video, it will save time in post.

September 2nd, 2013, 01:12 PM	#4
Tom Van den Berghe Major Player Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: BELGIUM Posts: 406	Re: audiorecorder rode NTG2 rockmusic and was loud I filmed this. the very beginning was recorded with the rode NGT2 The gate on Vimeo I switched to my jbsystems mic (very cheap, 18 euro or 23 dollar) that records not so loud as the rode but the quality is not so clean as the rode. Big price difference between those 2. I prefer to keep the rode. thx for your quick answer. I will watch the mixer you said Or something like this? http://www.amazon.com/AZDEN-CAM-3-On.../dp/B00006JPD1

September 2nd, 2013, 07:34 PM	#5
Jonathan Levin Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Chicago, Illinois USA Posts: 692	Re: audiorecorder rode NTG2 Or is there some sort of attenuation setting in the camera menu? __________________ "Fearless Fernando Hernandez: A Fighter's Journey"" Jonathan Levin Photography & Video

September 3rd, 2013, 06:58 AM	#6
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Re: audiorecorder rode NTG2 I read the user guide. Note to self, resist any idea of buying a JVC camera. Horrible. An XLR attenuator may help. Note the Audio Technica lets you select 3 different levels: xlr attenuator\| B&H Photo Video Last edited by Les Wilson; September 3rd, 2013 at 02:57 PM.

September 3rd, 2013, 10:46 AM	#7
Tom Van den Berghe Major Player Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: BELGIUM Posts: 406	Re: audiorecorder rode NTG2 with an attenuator I can't control my volume. the audio technical sounds interesting. I think to be better off with a passive audio mixer? attenuation setting in the camera menu? no, there isn't. just audio controls from -2,-1,0,+1 and +2. -2 is still too loud when filming concerts. I really appreciate your input guys!

September 3rd, 2013, 11:16 AM	#8
Tom Van den Berghe Major Player Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: BELGIUM Posts: 406	Re: audiorecorder rode NTG2 I think I found it Sescom SES-MKP-31 Single Channel Inline Balanced Audio Level Control with 1/4 Inch Connectors This will do the job?

September 4th, 2013, 01:23 PM	#10
Tom Van den Berghe Major Player Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: BELGIUM Posts: 406	Re: audiorecorder rode NTG2 my NTG2 is already "converted" from XLR to minjack output. This was done when I bought the camcorder in the shop with the NTG2 so I could connected to my JVC camcorder with only mini-jack in. I couldn't find a dealer of this sescom in Europe. This + shipping costs are too high for my taste. I went today to a local "electro" shop if they could build something like the sescom. They have never done this before but they will make it. Tomorrow I will have it and I hope this works.(will cost my about 60 dollar (or 45 euro)) It will be very small and lightweight. Let you know.

September 5th, 2013, 12:58 PM	#12
Tom Van den Berghe Major Player Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: BELGIUM Posts: 406	Re: audiorecorder rode NTG2 they modify the mic.

September 8th, 2013, 06:30 AM	#14
Ty Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 2,337	Re: audiorecorder rode NTG2 This is not an unusual case. Camcorder makers try to figure out how to provide the best average performance for their gear. This does not include recording live music at a concert. It's more about dialog in the backyard or in places where the SPL is a lot lower. The question remains; is it the mic or the input (or both) that are being overdriven. A 10 or 20 dB inline pad on the mic should do the job if it's the input that's being overdriven. If it's the mic, you need to use another mic. You might also get good results by hiring a sound person with a mixer that can adjust to the louder levels by using a good mixer, sending proper level to your camera. Again, if the mic itself is being overdriven, you need another mic. Regards, Ty Ford __________________ Ty Ford's Audio Bootcamp Field Guide Ty Ford's Audio Video Blog

September 14th, 2013, 04:49 AM	#15
Tom Van den Berghe Major Player Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: BELGIUM Posts: 406	Re: audiorecorder rode NTG2 You said: A 10 or 20 dB inline pad on the mic should do the job if it's the input that's being overdriven. If it's the mic, you need to use another mic. The inline pad will work but It gives me not enough control about the input. I want to control it with levelknob. I went to the local electroshop and they made me a audio adapter to control the input audio signal. But it didn't work. From the moment I lowered the input audio signal using the know there was a lot of noise. I went back today and the person thought I used a line out signal like a radio and not a microphone out. He said the microphone out signal is to weak and so there will be noise... Still looking for a solution.