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Mark Koha · July 18th, 2012, 08:12 PM

Does anyone know what kinds of mics they use to mic up athletes during sporting events? I am brainstorming for a documentary right now and am considering doing something like this but need pointed in the right direction on how to do it.

Don Bloom · July 18th, 2012, 09:12 PM

Tram 50's, Countryman B6's, Sanken COS11's are all pretty popular depending on what the production house uses. The B6's are the smallest, the Trams are probably the most rugged.
As for mic paks (transmitters) the Lectro SMV Super-Miniature Transmitter seems to be pretty popular. small, rugged fairly easy to put most anywhere.
Now having said that, if you're talking about football (US style) then you might think about wrapping the mic pak in a bit of foam and securing it somewhere in the shoulder pad where it would get some protection and not pinch into the player. They have a tendacy to get a bit ornery when that happens.

Mark Koha · July 19th, 2012, 06:27 AM

This would be for baseball so no real worry about person to person contact. One of the people I was thinking of wiring up is a pitcher though so small and discreet is key. I can't afford to have it getting in the way of his mechanics.

Don Bloom · July 19th, 2012, 06:53 AM

Ok well for baseball I might use a Tram 50 or a Countryman B6. Both have long enough cable (about 4 feet) to allow placing the mic pak somewhere where it won't get in the way.
I would have to think his waist on the belt behind him. The SM transmitter from Lectro is a good size for that. I can't think of any other mic pak smaller. Of course the Lectro transmitter needs a Lectro receiver to go with it. Looking about $2K maybe a few more depending on which receiver you opt for. 400 or 411. Plus the mic. You could use the M152 mic which comes with many of the Lectro sets and honestly isn't bad at all. Probably comprable to the Tram.
HTHs

Garrett Low · July 19th, 2012, 07:48 AM

Mark,

What are you trying to pick up? A lot of athletes don't like to have anything they are not use to attached to them. For a pitcher, the extra weight of the transmitter or even the slight tension between the lav and receiver might be a distraction to them. You would need to discuss it with the athlete.

You might consider using a parabolic dish such s this one:

Jony JonyShot Parabolic Microphone Dish JONYSHOT B&H Photo Video

Mark Koha · July 19th, 2012, 07:49 AM

So for something like this, would the best be to try and tape the mic onto the inside of the jersey? I can't imagine that a little mic clip would hold up to all that movement. But then gain, I can't imagine tape would hold up to the movement or the moisture from sweat either.

Rick Reineke · July 19th, 2012, 11:03 AM

FWIW and AFAIK, in MBL the players are not mic'd at all, rather the mics are planted.. hidden in/under the bases amongst other areas. In the NFL, some of the key players are mic'd, with a mic/transmitter in the shoulder pads or helmets.

Don Bloom · July 19th, 2012, 11:04 AM

YOu might use a 'vampire clip' with a small piece of gaff tape not duct tape to hold it in place. Usually baseball players wear some sort of shirt under the jersey so that's where I would place the mic. As Garrett said though, leave lots of slack. Pitchers espically asre twitchy anyway so give all the slack you can.
Maybe you could find a high school or jr. college pitcher you could practice mic placement on.

July 18th, 2012, 08:12 PM	#1
Mark Koha Major Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 243	Mic'ed Up Does anyone know what kinds of mics they use to mic up athletes during sporting events? I am brainstorming for a documentary right now and am considering doing something like this but need pointed in the right direction on how to do it.

July 18th, 2012, 09:12 PM	#2
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Re: Mic'ed Up Tram 50's, Countryman B6's, Sanken COS11's are all pretty popular depending on what the production house uses. The B6's are the smallest, the Trams are probably the most rugged. As for mic paks (transmitters) the Lectro SMV Super-Miniature Transmitter seems to be pretty popular. small, rugged fairly easy to put most anywhere. Now having said that, if you're talking about football (US style) then you might think about wrapping the mic pak in a bit of foam and securing it somewhere in the shoulder pad where it would get some protection and not pinch into the player. They have a tendacy to get a bit ornery when that happens. __________________ What do I know? I'm just a video-O-grafer. Don

July 19th, 2012, 06:27 AM	#3
Mark Koha Major Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 243	Re: Mic'ed Up This would be for baseball so no real worry about person to person contact. One of the people I was thinking of wiring up is a pitcher though so small and discreet is key. I can't afford to have it getting in the way of his mechanics.

July 19th, 2012, 06:53 AM	#4
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Re: Mic'ed Up Ok well for baseball I might use a Tram 50 or a Countryman B6. Both have long enough cable (about 4 feet) to allow placing the mic pak somewhere where it won't get in the way. I would have to think his waist on the belt behind him. The SM transmitter from Lectro is a good size for that. I can't think of any other mic pak smaller. Of course the Lectro transmitter needs a Lectro receiver to go with it. Looking about $2K maybe a few more depending on which receiver you opt for. 400 or 411. Plus the mic. You could use the M152 mic which comes with many of the Lectro sets and honestly isn't bad at all. Probably comprable to the Tram. HTHs __________________ What do I know? I'm just a video-O-grafer. Don

July 19th, 2012, 07:48 AM	#5
Garrett Low Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 1,774	Re: Mic'ed Up Mark, What are you trying to pick up? A lot of athletes don't like to have anything they are not use to attached to them. For a pitcher, the extra weight of the transmitter or even the slight tension between the lav and receiver might be a distraction to them. You would need to discuss it with the athlete. You might consider using a parabolic dish such s this one: Jony JonyShot Parabolic Microphone Dish JONYSHOT B&H Photo Video __________________ Garrett Low www.GLowMediaProductions.com

July 19th, 2012, 07:49 AM	#6
Mark Koha Major Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 243	Re: Mic'ed Up So for something like this, would the best be to try and tape the mic onto the inside of the jersey? I can't imagine that a little mic clip would hold up to all that movement. But then gain, I can't imagine tape would hold up to the movement or the moisture from sweat either.

July 19th, 2012, 11:03 AM	#7
Rick Reineke Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New York Posts: 2,039	Re: Mic'ed Up FWIW and AFAIK, in MBL the players are not mic'd at all, rather the mics are planted.. hidden in/under the bases amongst other areas. In the NFL, some of the key players are mic'd, with a mic/transmitter in the shoulder pads or helmets.

July 19th, 2012, 11:04 AM	#8
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Re: Mic'ed Up YOu might use a 'vampire clip' with a small piece of gaff tape not duct tape to hold it in place. Usually baseball players wear some sort of shirt under the jersey so that's where I would place the mic. As Garrett said though, leave lots of slack. Pitchers espically asre twitchy anyway so give all the slack you can. Maybe you could find a high school or jr. college pitcher you could practice mic placement on. __________________ What do I know? I'm just a video-O-grafer. Don