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Geoffrey Cox · February 8th, 2011, 02:54 PM

Hi,

I'm currently using a Spirit Power Pad mixer for live audio / video performances:

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_i...6a5c2e0552.jpg

In many ways it is ideal - 2 stereo and 4 mono inputs, 2 main outs and a stereo monitor out. I mainly use it to mix audio from quicktime movie files and audio files from my laptop via 2 audio interfaces, one firewire the other via the express port, also sometimes using 2 laptops. The stereo inputs are important because then I can control levels with ease (twiddling 4 mono pots is tricky). It is also ultra portable which is important. I also use it to record the performances via the monitor out which is very useful.

However, it is too noisy so I need better quality without going through the roof price-wise.

Any recommendations for a replacement that offers similar functions and size but with less noise?

Thanks,

Geoff

Robert Turchick · February 8th, 2011, 03:04 PM

Mackie is probably the cleanest for that size and functionality and price point. Years ago I used a 1202 to record an orchestra performance and it worked amazingly well. (actually that recording won the "Mixed on a Mackie" contest so I may be a bit biased!)
Other small format mixers I've used were a Neve 12x4 but it cost somewhere around $12000. And then there was a Toft 8 channel but it was around $4k.

Geoffrey Cox · February 8th, 2011, 03:40 PM

Thanks Robert, the 802 VLZ3 looks just the ticket!

Mackie - 802-VLZ3

Geoff

Gary Nattrass · February 8th, 2011, 03:49 PM

I am surprised that mixer is noisy as it is virtually identical to the mackie and soundcraft are normally OK.

Is it not your interfaces that are noisy?

I have a larger Yamaha mixer that I may be selling if you wanted something more substantial with sliding faders and lots of flexibility.

It is this one: Yamaha MG12/4

Geoffrey Cox · February 8th, 2011, 05:56 PM

Thanks for reply Gary and you make a good point about the interfaces. I suppose my guide is that when I use the interfaces without the mixer the noise I hear when using the mixer is absent. The review in SoS on the Mackie mixer is very good but you are right that the two look very similar. How to tell without acually buying?

I like the look of the mixer you might sell. Size matters though and I couldn't tell from the link. The Mackie is 27x22cm - what size is the Yahama?

Geoff

Gary Nattrass · February 9th, 2011, 05:21 AM

The Yamaha is quite large and even has rack mount ears so may be too big.

I also have one of these that I use for location and small A.V work: Chemical Ltd | Buy Behringer - Behringer 1002-B - XENYX 1002B :: Premium 10-Input 2-Bus Mixer with XENYX Preamps, British EQs and Optional Battery Operation - Mixing Desk at Chemical Ltd

Battery operation too if you require it.

Robert Turchick · February 9th, 2011, 08:40 AM

Mackie and soundcraft are made in different countries and though I have no way to prove it would bet money there are no identical components. Kinda like a Ford and Chevy. They both have steering wheels, seats and an engine but guarantee they don't come from the same factory.
Please don't even look at Berhinger if you want clean sound. I'll admit I have one and several friends do too but I only use it in my home to plug keyboards into since my keyboard amp doesn't have enough inputs. For recording or anything critical I'd use (and have used) any Mackie in a heartbeat.

Rick Reineke · February 9th, 2011, 11:20 AM

Spirit Pad mixer..Too noisy? I'm surprised. I would assume a line-level out to be on par with the Mackie VLZs. Perhaps something else was to blame, perhaps pluging into a speaker level output?. It is a 'powered' mixer.
Soundcraft always made a good product.

February 8th, 2011, 02:54 PM	#1
Geoffrey Cox Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huddersfield, UK Posts: 469	Replacement for versatile but noisy mixer? Hi, I'm currently using a Spirit Power Pad mixer for live audio / video performances: http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_i...6a5c2e0552.jpg In many ways it is ideal - 2 stereo and 4 mono inputs, 2 main outs and a stereo monitor out. I mainly use it to mix audio from quicktime movie files and audio files from my laptop via 2 audio interfaces, one firewire the other via the express port, also sometimes using 2 laptops. The stereo inputs are important because then I can control levels with ease (twiddling 4 mono pots is tricky). It is also ultra portable which is important. I also use it to record the performances via the monitor out which is very useful. However, it is too noisy so I need better quality without going through the roof price-wise. Any recommendations for a replacement that offers similar functions and size but with less noise? Thanks, Geoff

February 8th, 2011, 03:04 PM	#2
Robert Turchick Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 1,389	Mackie is probably the cleanest for that size and functionality and price point. Years ago I used a 1202 to record an orchestra performance and it worked amazingly well. (actually that recording won the "Mixed on a Mackie" contest so I may be a bit biased!) Other small format mixers I've used were a Neve 12x4 but it cost somewhere around $12000. And then there was a Toft 8 channel but it was around $4k. __________________ The older I get, the better I was!

February 8th, 2011, 03:49 PM	#4
Gary Nattrass Trustee Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cornsay Durham UK Posts: 1,992	I am surprised that mixer is noisy as it is virtually identical to the mackie and soundcraft are normally OK. Is it not your interfaces that are noisy? I have a larger Yamaha mixer that I may be selling if you wanted something more substantial with sliding faders and lots of flexibility. It is this one: Yamaha MG12/4 __________________ Over 15 minutes in Broadcast Film and TV production: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1044352/

February 9th, 2011, 05:21 AM	#6
Gary Nattrass Trustee Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cornsay Durham UK Posts: 1,992	The Yamaha is quite large and even has rack mount ears so may be too big. I also have one of these that I use for location and small A.V work: Chemical Ltd \| Buy Behringer - Behringer 1002-B - XENYX 1002B :: Premium 10-Input 2-Bus Mixer with XENYX Preamps, British EQs and Optional Battery Operation - Mixing Desk at Chemical Ltd Battery operation too if you require it. __________________ Over 15 minutes in Broadcast Film and TV production: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1044352/

February 9th, 2011, 08:40 AM	#7
Robert Turchick Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 1,389	Mackie and soundcraft are made in different countries and though I have no way to prove it would bet money there are no identical components. Kinda like a Ford and Chevy. They both have steering wheels, seats and an engine but guarantee they don't come from the same factory. Please don't even look at Berhinger if you want clean sound. I'll admit I have one and several friends do too but I only use it in my home to plug keyboards into since my keyboard amp doesn't have enough inputs. For recording or anything critical I'd use (and have used) any Mackie in a heartbeat. __________________ The older I get, the better I was!

February 8th, 2011, 03:40 PM	#3
Geoffrey Cox Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huddersfield, UK Posts: 469	Thanks Robert, the 802 VLZ3 looks just the ticket! Mackie - 802-VLZ3 Geoff

February 8th, 2011, 05:56 PM	#5
Geoffrey Cox Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huddersfield, UK Posts: 469	Thanks for reply Gary and you make a good point about the interfaces. I suppose my guide is that when I use the interfaces without the mixer the noise I hear when using the mixer is absent. The review in SoS on the Mackie mixer is very good but you are right that the two look very similar. How to tell without acually buying? I like the look of the mixer you might sell. Size matters though and I couldn't tell from the link. The Mackie is 27x22cm - what size is the Yahama? Geoff

February 9th, 2011, 11:20 AM	#8
Rick Reineke Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New York Posts: 2,039	Spirit Pad mixer..Too noisy? I'm surprised. I would assume a line-level out to be on par with the Mackie VLZs. Perhaps something else was to blame, perhaps pluging into a speaker level output?. It is a 'powered' mixer. Soundcraft always made a good product.