Binaural bass crackling: How to fix/avoid?

Micky Hulse · April 21st, 2011, 09:52 PM

Long time no talk Greg! I can't believe I missed your last two messages!!!! I appoligize for not replying... The forum messages must have gotten lost when they hit my e-mail inbox. :(

I hope things are going well with you.

Things have been pretty busy in my neck of the woods (day job is keeping me busy).

Thanks so much for those screen grabs and all of the information about the spectral view and Cool Edit Pro.

I hate to admit it, but since we last talked I have not had a chance to download a demo and/or buy a copy of CoolEdit. I really want to get a copy so I can follow along with all of you examples without getting lost in Audacity trying to find the same views and tools. :)

Just as an update: I went back to the planetarium and captured the audio for a second time.

No clicks/pops/crackling!!!!

I took your advice, and use the "line in" input along with the battery pack.

Record settings:

96khz
24bit
Limiter/agc = off
Plug-in power = off
Mic gain = low
Low cut = off

I took pictures of my settings right before recording just to make sure I could remember things later! :D

I think my first recording was clicking due to the fact that I had my battery pack/mic plugged into the mic input (vs. the "line in" input).

Anyway, I got a clean recording of the show... Of course, I don't plan on doing anything with this recording... I re-recorded the show purely for learning (my equipment) purposes. :)

Greg, I owe you many thanks for all of your help!!!! Thanks a billion!!!!! As soon as I get setup with Cool Edit I will let you know how it goes.

Thanks to everyone that replied! This forum is the best on the net! :)

Cheers,
Micky

Micky Hulse · April 21st, 2011, 10:08 PM

Oh, also... I learned how to place attachments inline by looking at Robert's post on page #1.

After uploading, I hovered over the image link at bottom of the post to get the "attachmentid" number.

I used this code to attach the image(s):

[attach]22576[/attach]

Name: loader-02.gif
Views: 392
Size: 4.1 KB

Seems like it should be easier than that. :(

Anyway, hope that helps! :)

Have a great Friday!

Cheers,
Micky

Greg Miller · April 22nd, 2011, 07:14 AM

Hi Micky,

Glad to hear you found a solution. I would still like to know what caused the original "clicking." Given that you had the machine set up incorrectly, what in the machine caused that particular kind of problem, since is it not clipping? (After a lengthy Google search, I found one other user who had exactly the same kind of "clicking" problem on the same recorder. I looked at his files, and the problem was exactly the same as on your files! So it is not an isolated problem in your particular unit.)

I'm afraid you will have to watch eBay a long time, in hopes of finding an old "discarded" copy of CoolEdit. That company (Syntrillium) and product were bought up by Adobe several years ago. If you do find it somewhere (which is not impossible) you will need to be sure that the seller includes a working registration password to unlock the program.

Anyway, thanks for the report!

Steve House · April 22nd, 2011, 07:56 AM

FYI - CoolEdit is sold by Adobe under the name Audition. The current version isn't all THAT expensive, $349 for the full package or $99 if upgrading from a previous version of Audition or from Soundbooth.

Greg Miller · April 22nd, 2011, 09:26 AM

Steve, thanks for that reminder. I think I mentioned that long ago, but perhaps Micky had lost track of that tidbit. Since Audition is a current product, it will be much easier to find, if that is within his budget.

Micky Hulse · April 25th, 2011, 11:44 AM

Oooh, nice!

Thanks for tip/reminder Steve!

I totally spaced being told about Audition! $349 is not a bad price at all. :)

Amazon.com: Adobe Audition CS5.5: Software

Wow, I didn't realize it was a part of the Adobe CS5.x suite... My work just got me a copy of CS5 master collection... I have not installed yet, but it looks like I lucked out.

Thanks again Greg! I can't thank you enough for all that you have taught me. I owe you one. :)

Thanks to everyone for all of the help.

Have an awesome week.

Cheers,
Micky

Adam Gold · April 25th, 2011, 11:48 AM

It's not part of CS5. It will be a part of CS5.5.

Micky Hulse · April 25th, 2011, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Gold

It's not part of CS5. It will be a part of CS5.5.

Doh! I was looking at the CS5.5 page... I just assumed it was in 5.0. :(

I guess having Audition in the 5.5. upgrade gives folks another reason to upgrade their 5.5 install.

Thanks for clarification Adam. Much appreciated. :)

Have a great day!

Cheers,
Micky

Micky Hulse · April 25th, 2011, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Miller

Thanks again for your offer but I really don't need anything from Amazon. However, at this point in time you owe me 472 beers, so it might be worth my while to fly out to Seattle one of these days... <JK>

Let's just round that up to 500!

Let me know when you are in my neck of the woods. :D

Cheers,
Micky

April 21st, 2011, 09:52 PM	#61
Micky Hulse Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA Posts: 213	Re: Binaural bass crackling: How to fix/avoid? Long time no talk Greg! I can't believe I missed your last two messages!!!! I appoligize for not replying... The forum messages must have gotten lost when they hit my e-mail inbox. :( I hope things are going well with you. Things have been pretty busy in my neck of the woods (day job is keeping me busy). Thanks so much for those screen grabs and all of the information about the spectral view and Cool Edit Pro. I hate to admit it, but since we last talked I have not had a chance to download a demo and/or buy a copy of CoolEdit. I really want to get a copy so I can follow along with all of you examples without getting lost in Audacity trying to find the same views and tools. :) Just as an update: I went back to the planetarium and captured the audio for a second time. No clicks/pops/crackling!!!! I took your advice, and use the "line in" input along with the battery pack. Record settings: 96khz 24bit Limiter/agc = off Plug-in power = off Mic gain = low Low cut = off I took pictures of my settings right before recording just to make sure I could remember things later! :D I think my first recording was clicking due to the fact that I had my battery pack/mic plugged into the mic input (vs. the "line in" input). Anyway, I got a clean recording of the show... Of course, I don't plan on doing anything with this recording... I re-recorded the show purely for learning (my equipment) purposes. :) Greg, I owe you many thanks for all of your help!!!! Thanks a billion!!!!! As soon as I get setup with Cool Edit I will let you know how it goes. Thanks to everyone that replied! This forum is the best on the net! :) Cheers, Micky __________________ Home: See *"Work"* :) Work: Canon XH A1, CS3/CS4/CS5/Final Cut Studio/Final Cut Express/Premiere Elements

April 21st, 2011, 10:08 PM	#62
Micky Hulse Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA Posts: 213	Re: Binaural bass crackling: How to fix/avoid? Oh, also... I learned how to place attachments inline by looking at Robert's post on page #1. After uploading, I hovered over the image link at bottom of the post to get the "attachmentid" number. I used this code to attach the image(s): [attach]22576[/attach] Seems like it should be easier than that. :( Anyway, hope that helps! :) Have a great Friday! Cheers, Micky __________________ Home: See *"Work"* :) Work: Canon XH A1, CS3/CS4/CS5/Final Cut Studio/Final Cut Express/Premiere Elements

April 22nd, 2011, 07:14 AM	#63
Greg Miller Trustee Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,791	Re: Binaural bass crackling: How to fix/avoid? Hi Micky, Glad to hear you found a solution. I would still like to know what caused the original "clicking." Given that you had the machine set up incorrectly, what in the machine caused that particular kind of problem, since is it not clipping? (After a lengthy Google search, I found one other user who had exactly the same kind of "clicking" problem on the same recorder. I looked at his files, and the problem was exactly the same as on your files! So it is not an isolated problem in your particular unit.) I'm afraid you will have to watch eBay a long time, in hopes of finding an old "discarded" copy of CoolEdit. That company (Syntrillium) and product were bought up by Adobe several years ago. If you do find it somewhere (which is not impossible) you will need to be sure that the seller includes a working registration password to unlock the program. Anyway, thanks for the report!

April 22nd, 2011, 07:56 AM	#64
Steve House Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,742	Re: Binaural bass crackling: How to fix/avoid? FYI - CoolEdit is sold by Adobe under the name Audition. The current version isn't all THAT expensive, $349 for the full package or $99 if upgrading from a previous version of Audition or from Soundbooth. __________________ Good news, Cousins! This week's chocolate ration is 15 grams!

April 22nd, 2011, 09:26 AM	#65
Greg Miller Trustee Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,791	Re: Binaural bass crackling: How to fix/avoid? Steve, thanks for that reminder. I think I mentioned that long ago, but perhaps Micky had lost track of that tidbit. Since Audition is a current product, it will be much easier to find, if that is within his budget.

April 25th, 2011, 11:44 AM	#66
Micky Hulse Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA Posts: 213	Re: Binaural bass crackling: How to fix/avoid? Oooh, nice! Thanks for tip/reminder Steve! I totally spaced being told about Audition! $349 is not a bad price at all. :) Amazon.com: Adobe Audition CS5.5: Software Amazon.com: Adobe Audition CS5.5: Software Wow, I didn't realize it was a part of the Adobe CS5.x suite... My work just got me a copy of CS5 master collection... I have not installed yet, but it looks like I lucked out. Thanks again Greg! I can't thank you enough for all that you have taught me. I owe you one. :) Thanks to everyone for all of the help. Have an awesome week. Cheers, Micky __________________ Home: See *"Work"* :) Work: Canon XH A1, CS3/CS4/CS5/Final Cut Studio/Final Cut Express/Premiere Elements

April 25th, 2011, 11:48 AM	#67
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Re: Binaural bass crackling: How to fix/avoid? It's not part of CS5. It will be a part of CS5.5. __________________ "It can only be attributable to human error... This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error."